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Post by poogan on Nov 7, 2017 7:12:02 GMT
PhoneBooth I would like to reply to your statement, which I find is often misleading and untruthful. I wanted there to be a middle ground where both sides of this could walk away with win. But I found myself questioning one of the current Swamp Casino owners moral standings. I had asked about a "First 10 people here [Swamp Casino] get a free game!" that was being advertised brightly in chat a day or perhaps two ago. We were giving away free spins to entice people to come check out our machines, no doubt. However, we were only enticing people to come check us out since we were low on diamonds, and in desperate need of building supplies such as quartz. I mentioned how I watched the chat and observed no winners, but, did observer someone questioning why the machine only spun one game wheel. As well the comments of another saying "So no winners on 10 games? lol" What are the actual odds? The odds on the machine (which we can't change) are at about ~1/64 chance of winning 3 in a row. That being said, we only charge one diamond per play, but you can win either 8 iron blocks, 8 gold blocks, 8 diamond blocks or 8 emerald blocks, depending on which three you line up. Additionally, on that day we had many people win prizes, some even on their first try. We had two people win the diamond blocks, which added up to a total of 16 diamond blocks. One of those winners was Kaz (Kazurino) who actually won it on a free spin later in the day. These are people acting on pure profit. Defending their horde of gains on the backs of children with not a care for what they are doing and with little or no sympathy for the potential devastation. We are not doing it for "pure profit" although some probably do. Sure we make a profit, however, we are putting it towards creating new stuff at the Swamp Warp. Our team totals at 10 players currently, and the amount of quartz that has gone into this project is immense. We are not greedy, or looking to extort children, solely to fund our efforts. I hope you can understand that. The hostile buying out of all the land around the Swamp Warp. Hostile? We traded the many claims we had at other warps in order to attain the land at the Swamp Warp. We had 3 sides of the Mesa Warp, 1 side of the MI, 2 sides of the Jungle Warp, and many other claims, and now we are reduced to only having a few left. We also spent many diamond blocks to get other lands. We offered people great deals, which weren't that great for us. What part of that is hostile? But with the casino owners' four block high fence/walls on 3 of the 4 sides of the admin claim and the player warping to the spot to see nothing but walls and claims by the same owners -it acts as a funnel. I wouldn't be surprised if a new player could think this is regulated or perhaps owned by staff. We did that to stop players from coming in and messing with stuff/finding small unclaimed holes and perhaps griefing those. We even checked with a staff member and were told it was fine, for which I can provide logs if necessary. Additionally, the wall only covered less than 2 sides of the warp. We ended up changing it so that it only blocked off the actual casino, and everyone could head in the other three directions. As well, the complete lack of development of all the bought spaces around the Swamp Casino only adds to the pull it has in that warp. But the acquisitions monopolizes the warp and suffocates out all competing land grabs making the space worthless to all but the few who happen to not be on the other side of a carved out mountain or a four block high wall. "Lack of development" If you would look, you would be able to see a massive building being built, and if you had seen chat messages from when we got the Swamp Warp, you would've heard that we have 3 terraformers who are planning to terraform the parts of the warp we're not using, and create a custom landscape. Additionally, the mountain has been gone for a few days, and I do not know how you wouldn't be able to notice this... We decided to monopolize the warp since we found last reset that there were too many random things around our claims that created lag, and rendered it impossible for us to do anything amazing with the Swamp Warp. Now we have the chance to make something truly special since we have a whole warp, and people are bashing us for trying to find the means to fund it. =============================== Finally, I'd like to leave the public with a snippet of your conversation with poogan, where he remains respectful, but the same can't be said for you. [18:33:01] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Loki> The same way gambling isn't against the rules atm, it was never considered something that would happen here [18:33:18] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> good thing im not scamming ;D [18:33:29] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Veteran | PhoneBooth> pretty close to it, poogle [18:33:32] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> nope [18:33:36] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> not at all [18:33:53] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Veteran | PhoneBooth> How many people did that free game? 10? How many won? [18:33:59] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> TONS [18:34:00] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> holy alot [18:34:01] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> lol [18:34:10] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Veteran | PhoneBooth> I recall- none ============ [18:34:21] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> orange won several times and flower won on 2nd turn and 4th turn lol [18:34:27] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> several more [18:34:30] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *PumpkinSpiceFlower> i never won [18:34:32] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> there was too many ppl to count [18:34:39] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> then who was it [18:34:42] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Veteran | PhoneBooth> Yikes, telling lies little one?[18:34:47] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *PumpkinSpiceFlower> idk but i never won lol [18:34:48] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> they won 8 db on there 2nd win [18:35:08] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> this is when i block phone [18:35:14] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Kydog> my friend got 8IB for 4 dia which is actually under market rate [18:35:14] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *PumpkinSpiceFlower> if i had won i woyld have more then 5 dia lol [18:35:34] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Veteran | PhoneBooth> Man this is what is iffy about these machines. They might be fine- but boy are the people running these casinos just yellow I also feel that Bling summarizes how we are feeling quite well in their post. We have been constantly attacked by many players/staff members over our existence. Here's a list of some of the stuff on the forums: I'm hurtEWC (Harassment/Bullying By Some Staff Members)Poogan banned for PM messages - This was simply done to provoke him, and there was no basis for the ban, which resulted in him being unbanned the next day. Why we closed before the resetIn order to remove our casino they made the warp harder to access We even tried to have official rules created.
As you can see, many have tried to hunt us, and not stopped to consider how we feel. Why not take that time now, and put yourselves in our shoes? We aren't money hungry people who try to take advantage of little children. We are just normal people with big hopes just like any other players. Thomas & Poogan You try really hard to shake my own observations and criticisms by making me out to be as bad, lying, and out to get you two as all them nasty ol' mods who, quiescently, have had problems with you two before- (And you with them) - and for what looks like for months. Thanks for the links. I don't think I need to say more really. The amount of effort you put into making me look like some sort of rabid hater is astonishing. More so when I see that you treat the moderators the same way. This isn't some courtroom. There is no jury. It doesn't matter how you voted or what you say in here or even how many people you bring to the table to stand with you. Ultimately, none of this has no bearing on the decision. I also don't think it matters how you decide to try to paint me and attempt to invalidate my points with what you say about me, or how you make me look, or seem like... Because you didn't touch on the issue at all. Bit of target confusion I think. You didn't touch on the fact that this is gambling, which is proven to negatively affect people, mentally and fiscally. This is readily available information posted by some top government researchers. Gambling and its negative impacts are just a Google search away. You also didn't have anything to say about the fact that this is gambling in a game which generally has lots of children making up more than half the audience of the game, on a server which is labelled as "Family Friendly". The term "family friendly" essentially calling out to families who play games together, a safe place for children and their parents alike. I think Tasha's story shows how, that isn't exactly true with user ran gambling machines up on the server. This isn't hypothetical anymore. This is actually a real issue. This happened. There is no protection for the children, young teens or possible challenged or disabled individuals from what is a form of physiological manipulation with fancy text advertisements, boastful wins, and colourful reactive red stone games that turn on for a second for just a Diamond Bock worth of time. This, in a game where a parent thinks they could safely leave their child to build and explore. On a server that wants to protect that. I think this is a wonderful opportunity for the server to no longer turn a blind eye to what is shady practice that breeds more negative issues for moderators and users alike, then positive. And as a post note: Yes, I quoted the whole thing. I don't want to you changing anything as I think your post speaks volumes for the issues at hand and my observations before your post. Thanks - PhoneBooth & PhoneBooth I'm too tired for this... You and everyone else are looking WAY to much into this. This is a game that is meant for exploring and creatively exploring and expanding your imagaination. Us creating this casino and new machines is our creative way of exploring how far red stone can go. We have discovered so many new elements of red stone and ways to work different intricate parts together to make several large machines.. When we messed with the red stone we created things people know and love to this day such as hooked or Bow Battles. I don't think people understand where myself and Thomas come from. It doesn't feel good when things you build are being trashed on and completely criticized. Everyday I hear so many bad things about myself or Thomas its getting annoying. We talk about how toxic these casino machines are and all this but I don't even want to log onto the server without friends because I'm Acutally scared. I'm literally scared behind a screen. When it comes to mods I feel like everyday I log on it's just a time bomb waiting to get banned. The poll coming out once we open a machine for a day, the end warp casino, unclaiming of our warps and how closey they watch us. I don't hate staff I honestly usually try to get on their good side but. I feel like everyday that passes that gets harder and harder to accomplish. I just remember when we got the swamp we could look at a corner and see one of them quickly go into /V. I'm just tired of it. I feel like we're treated unfairly. I want to make better relationships between us but it seems almost impossible at this point. When it comes to you phone booth. I feel like your approach to me was very disrespectfulI and you did the exact same thing you said Thomas tried to do to you. Your purposely trying to provoke me and make myself or Thomas look bad by making that post. Which I don't understand why. But I do feel like you look at me like I'm a robot. Like I have no emotions. You think I'm some king on a thrown with the intentions to cause harm to other players that I have grown to know and love. I want you and other players to realize I'm not special I'm just another player exploring minecraft I'm just along for the ride like all of you and for me to be treated differently is not ok. Lastly, I want to be a positive influence on the server. That was my intentions day one back on the 1.8 sever. I've been here for so long and don't want it to end on a bad note. I will do anything in my power to please the public but please think about how it may affect myself or Thomas when saying things. Thankyou for understanding everyone, I've also meant to cause no harm to anyone. I'm sorry if I have.
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Post by johnboner on Nov 7, 2017 9:12:27 GMT
I don't think people understand where myself and Thomas come from. It doesn't feel good when things you build are being trashed on and completely criticized. Everyday I hear so many bad things about myself or Thomas its getting annoying. We talk about how toxic these casino machines are and all this but I don't even want to log onto the server without friends because I'm Acutally scared. I'm literally scared behind a screen. When it comes to mods I feel like everyday I log on it's just a time bomb waiting to get banned. The poll coming out once we open a machine for a day, the end warp casino, unclaiming of our warps and how closey they watch us. I don't hate staff I honestly usually try to get on their good side but. I feel like everyday that passes that gets harder and harder to accomplish. It's extremely unfortunate that the way people have expressed their opinions on this topic have caused you to feel this way Poogan, and I would hope that you realize that I've done my best in discussing this matter to keep from directing anything towards yourself, Thomas, or the EWC. Coming from a former mod who's always spoken up against witch-hunting and vilifying any player on the server I can only express sincere regret that since currently (as far as I know) yourself and your constituents are the only group running, or with plans to run, such an establishment as is being discussed here, it goes to reason that many players against such things would indeed associate negative attitudes towards the concept with you and them. However I would like to believe that you are sincere in this post, and that all of this isn't simply said for fanfare or to drum up some sense of guilt from those speaking against the idea. If that really is the case, then the advisable course for you would seem quite simple. How does a restriction on casinos limit your exploration of redstone logic? How does it prevent you from still exploring your creativity to the fullest and providing fun, family friendly entertainment to the players on the server? You and Thomas have both said that it isn't about the profit, so if you're being honest about that, and I certainly want to believe that is so, then why not put this whole matter to rest and demonstrate it? Don't threaten to deprive the community of things such as bow battles or what not simply because casinos may become against the rules. The issues people have lie not with the machines themselves but how they are being used and the stigmas that tend to follow such things. Unfortunately, as Tasha demonstrated, those stigmas are indeed founded in reason, so I can't think you'll ever win over that currently 50+% of players who have voted that have an issue with it. So use that creativity that you used to create these games to re-purpose them in such a way to remove the issues players have with them. Think of a way to make them free, to limit how much access people get to them at any given time. If having prizes for the machines becomes an issue due to the lack of capital, reach out to the community. Given that Christmas is coming up I'm sure some people might feel generous and donate things such as heads or whatnot possibly. Or better yet, come up with a suitable solution and go to the Moderators with it. After all, it sounds as though your goals align with theirs, that is to say provide that the people on this server have access to a fun and friendly environment. If your desire is to share your creations with the server populace, what better way than to possibly get something like an event warp for your builds, allowing everyone to easily experience them. I know as a creator myself there is no greater joy than sharing the things I make with those around me. We all want to have fun on this server, and if you could find it in yourself to do these things simply for the sake of bettering the server, I would be more than happy to occasionally donate things that would be needed, as I'm sure others would as well. Thanks for reading (again assuming you do).
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Post by Knootmare on Nov 7, 2017 14:00:11 GMT
So use that creativity that you used to create these games to re-purpose them in such a way to remove the issues players have with them. Think of a way to make them free, to limit how much access people get to them at any given time. If having prizes for the machines becomes an issue due to the lack of capital, reach out to the community. Given that Christmas is coming up I'm sure some people might feel generous and donate things such as heads or whatnot possibly. Or better yet, come up with a suitable solution and go to the Moderators with it. After all, it sounds as though your goals align with theirs, that is to say provide that the people on this server have access to a fun and friendly environment. If your desire is to share your creations with the server populace, what better way than to possibly get something like an event warp for your builds, allowing everyone to easily experience them. I know as a creator myself there is no greater joy than sharing the things I make with those around me. John, I'd like to hijack (NINJA-ED!) this specific part of your comment to point out that Event Staff is always open to implement players' ideas and events.With a couple changes in the way we work that happened recently, we're now able to more easily test, work on and set up player-made events and ideas, and (as you'll soon - later today - see) implement even more elaborate ideas.A recent case comes to mind: after a release we're planning for the following days (check Discord #announcements), we will be working on Hudson's Paintball game. Now, regardless of whether he expects to gain profits from it (which, I must say, he doesn't seem to, which makes me even more appreciative of his efforts), his work on creating a truly beautiful arena and all the commands to go with it sets an example for what really being focused towards player entertainment is like.Of course, we don't expect everyone to come up with events the size and scope of Paintball. Every suggestion, idea or build matters and will be widely supported by Staff, so long as it doesn't negatively influence the community and isn't geared towards profits for the owner. Lastly, I must respond to the accusations of Staff being partial towards the Swamp Warp Casino administration.- First, I must point out that this thread being created was not coincidental.
- The New Swamp Warp incident on the last map was part of a plan to revamp laggier areas of the map.
- Poogan's ban is by no means related to SWC.
- The End Warp Casino is by no means related to Staff, and while it was a joke, it wasn't intended to destroy the Swamp Warp Casino.
[/quote] That quote, taken from this thread, is what, in my opinion, sums up your defensive claims regarding not having profit as your best interest. Despite clearly being a joke, the SWC administration saw the EWC as an offense to their business.
With the perspective of having another big casino open, the SWC administration wasn't to not be able to deliver entertainment to a broader array of players. It was afraid to lose costumers and their business' profits.[/ul]
This ends my comment, for now.
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Post by nohbody on Nov 7, 2017 19:00:58 GMT
I will only say this one thing because this thread is turning into a "us against them (staff)," when that was likely never the intention. The question was simple, to ban gambling machines or to not. At the time of writing, more players have favored their ban for reasons such as the negative effects of gambling, whether or not it is child-friendly, and so on. In my opinion, it is something that should have been decided sooner, yes. You could argue that rules regarding it should have been included when the redstone rulss were released. Okay, sure. But why not inquire about that before opening and running public "beta" tests? It was not a quiet thing pre-reset that casinos would be required to be inspected before operation, which may have been sparked by players crying "scam" at none other than the SWC. However, the SWC taking on the victim role, claiming it is all a personal attack by staff, is ridiculous. As the first casino to pop up, it makes sense that the discussion would come along with it. I've watched in-game as staff have not said a word about how to vote on the poll, while members of the SWC have frequently pushed for "#VoteNo" and "#SayYesToGambling." At the same time, frequent advertisements have been made, offers of free spins, limited time machine plays, a "huge group picture," etc etc. This is not a political campaign, so why is it being treated as one? It's a simple poll. Do we or do we not agree with gambling on a server marketed as being family friendly? I won't call it voter manipulation necessarily but it does have the power to sway people to vote one way or the other. You cannot claim staff is harassing you, especially when they've done nothing but ask one question. Schaum cited reasons for and against it as a baseline, advertised a few times in chat after it was posted, then was done. Staff has since not pushed for nor attempted to convince players to choose yes or no. Instead, they've left it up to the players to decide based on their personal opinions. You have not made it clear that you're open to the opposing side's thoughts, instead claiming it's entirely on the players that participate. This would feel more accurate if, and only if, the playerbase was of an age that is a bit less impressionable than a bunch of teenagers and even children. I would be more in support of allowing casinos if there was not so much drama attached to them. The threads linked by Thomas, honestly, go to show that your group is what sparks the drama, intentionally tries to get other riled up, painting staff as this evil entity that's obsessed with beheading your attempts to "just have fun." Staff has a job to do, procedures to follow, standards to uphold. It's a stressful position, especially post reset when I'm sure not every staff member was in favor of even a planned one yet they're being accused left and right of it being on purpose. On top of that, you claim you feel scared. Given the history publicly available on the forums, sure, I can understand to an extent. However, does this excuse allowing harassment of other players by players within your group? I think not. Linked is screenshots from what one of your friends did shortly after a player rejected giving up their claim behind yours. Note that their claim did not break any rules, was less than 500 blocks from the warp, and if anything, was a mere inconvenience. Yet this is the reaction they received. Did you ever stop to consider that maybe staff isn't the toxic group? Genuine question. [Screenshots]Finally, here are some logs from last night's chat. I feel even just this snippet really speaks to your character and the constant use of the victim card. Regarding the reset, [21:37:19] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Steve | Iden13green> and they didn't have a backup??
[21:37:29] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Steve | Iden13green> that's questionable
[21:37:48] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> it was all on purpose!!!
Shortly after a mod came on and requested /me spam be stopped. Note that there were players asking as well, yet were blatantly ignored. [22:35:35] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] * | Epic | *Poogle RIP [22:35:42] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] * | Epic | *Poogle no one cares about us :( [22:37:00] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Moderator | *Shadow> Y'all can stop the /me spam now, thanks. [22:37:19] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> u all ruin the fun [22:38:59] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> that was the first time I have had fun on this server [22:39:23] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> not having mods or ppl talk trash about me ;D
You claim mods and people talk trash about you, yet you have no problem doing that very same thing when the people are not there to defend themselves. [22:41:55] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Thomas> Roy and shan were lovers ?
[22:41:59] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> LOL
[22:42:07] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> 30 day ban coming up
[22:42:08] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Mayor | *RobbieGoneWild> Sounds romantic
[22:42:11] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Zombie | *Andrue> nooo
[22:42:12] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Thomas> THey aren't staff anymore
[22:42:23] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> thats how u get banned folks
You never actually give an example of when people do these things or of even staff being mean. [22:46:21] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> ppl making lies about us :(
[22:46:28] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Thomas> I'm hurt :(
[22:46:28] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> used to it tho
[22:46:40] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Thomas> But once you get used to the pain, it's fine
[22:46:43] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> im used to staff being mean also You want to run a casino like a grown up? Then grow up. Find a compromise instead of crying about how staff is out to get you and your friends. It's getting nobody anywhere. So if you did read through this, then thank you. If not, so be it. I'm sorry for hijacking this post but I feel not every side of the story is being told. If you guys are going to turn this isn't a personal thing, at least be transparent about it. EDIT: Forgot link, couple of typos, my apologies.
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Post by Ikith on Nov 7, 2017 19:41:28 GMT
I'm too tired for this... You and everyone else are looking WAY to much into this. This is a game that is meant for exploring and creatively exploring and expanding your imagaination. Us creating this casino and new machines is our creative way of exploring how far red stone can go. We have discovered so many new elements of red stone and ways to work different intricate parts together to make several large machines.. When we messed with the red stone we created things people know and love to this day such as hooked or Bow Battles. Two words: Single player Another two words: Minecraft Realms The whole we want to see how far redstone can go is a complete and utter cop out/grasping at straws. You are on a G-Rated (Or E according to the ESRB) server trying to make simulated gambling fit in on the server. If you really want to go build gambling machines, you can find another server where doing so is acceptable.
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Post by Thomas5200 on Nov 7, 2017 19:48:20 GMT
I will only say this one thing because this thread is turning into a "us against them (staff)," when that was likely never the intention. The question was simple, to ban gambling machines or to not. At the time of writing, more players have favored their ban for reasons such as the negative effects of gambling, whether or not it is child-friendly, and so on. In my opinion, it is something that should have been decided sooner, yes. You could argue that rules regarding it should have been included when the redstone rulss were released. Okay, sure. But why not inquire about that before opening and running public "beta" tests? It was not a quiet thing pre-reset that casinos would be required to be inspected before operation, which may have been sparked by players crying "scam" at none other than the SWC. However, the SWC taking on the victim role, claiming it is all a personal attack by staff, is ridiculous. As the first casino to pop up, it makes sense that the discussion would come along with it. I've watched in-game as staff have not said a word about how to vote on the poll, while members of the SWC have frequently pushed for "#VoteNo" and "#SayYesToGambling." At the same time, frequent advertisements have been made, offers of free spins, limited time machine plays, a "huge group picture," etc etc. This is not a political campaign, so why is it being treated as one? It's a simple poll. Do we or do we not agree with gambling on a server marketed as being family friendly? I won't call it voter manipulation necessarily but it does have the power to sway people to vote one way or the other. You cannot claim staff is harassing you, especially when they've done nothing but ask one question. Schaum cited reasons for and against it as a baseline, advertised a few times in chat after it was posted, then was done. Staff has since not pushed for nor attempted to convince players to choose yes or no. Instead, they've left it up to the players to decide based on their personal opinions. You have not made it clear that you're open to the opposing side's thoughts, instead claiming it's entirely on the players that participate. This would feel more accurate if, and only if, the playerbase was of an age that is a bit less impressionable than a bunch of teenagers and even children. I would be more in support of allowing casinos if there was not so much drama attached to them. The threads linked by Thomas, honestly, go to show that your group is what sparks the drama, intentionally tries to get other riled up, painting staff as this evil entity that's obsessed with beheading your attempts to "just have fun." Staff has a job to do, procedures to follow, standards to uphold. It's a stressful position, especially post reset when I'm sure not every staff member was in favor of even a planned one yet they're being accused left and right of it being on purpose. On top of that, you claim you feel scared. Given the history publicly available on the forums, sure, I can understand to an extent. However, does this excuse allowing harassment of other players by players within your group? I think not. Linked is screenshots from what one of your friends did shortly after a player rejected giving up their claim behind yours. Note that their claim did not break any rules, was less than 500 blocks from the warp, and if anything, was a mere inconvenience. Yet this is the reaction they received. Did you ever stop to consider that maybe staff isn't the toxic group? Genuine question. [Screenshots]Finally, here are some logs from last night's chat. I feel even just this snippet really speaks to your character and the constant use of the victim card. Regarding the reset, [21:37:19] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Steve | Iden13green> and they didn't have a backup??
[21:37:29] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Steve | Iden13green> that's questionable
[21:37:48] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> it was all on purpose!!!
Shortly after a mod came on and requested /me spam be stopped. Note that there were players asking as well, yet were blatantly ignored. [22:35:35] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] * | Epic | *Poogle RIP [22:35:42] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] * | Epic | *Poogle no one cares about us :( [22:37:00] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Moderator | *Shadow> Y'all can stop the /me spam now, thanks. [22:37:19] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> u all ruin the fun [22:38:59] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> that was the first time I have had fun on this server [22:39:23] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> not having mods or ppl talk trash about me ;D
You claim mods and people talk trash about you, yet you have no problem doing that very same thing when the people are not there to defend themselves. [22:41:55] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Thomas> Roy and shan were lovers ?
[22:41:59] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> LOL
[22:42:07] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> 30 day ban coming up
[22:42:08] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Mayor | *RobbieGoneWild> Sounds romantic
[22:42:11] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Zombie | *Andrue> nooo
[22:42:12] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Thomas> THey aren't staff anymore
[22:42:23] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> thats how u get banned folks
You never actually give an example of when people do these things or of even staff being mean. [22:46:21] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> ppl making lies about us :(
[22:46:28] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Thomas> I'm hurt :(
[22:46:28] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> used to it tho
[22:46:40] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Thomas> But once you get used to the pain, it's fine
[22:46:43] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> im used to staff being mean also You want to run a casino like a grown up? Then grow up. Find a compromise instead of crying about how staff is out to get you and your friends. It's getting nobody anywhere. So if you did read through this, then thank you. If not, so be it. I'm sorry for hijacking this post but I feel not every side of the story is being told. If you guys are going to turn this isn't a personal thing, at least be transparent about it. EDIT: Forgot link, couple of typos, my apologies. I do hope you understand that we were in a discord call and were just joking. If you were in the call you would've heard us laughing and joking around. You took these logs completely out of context.
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Post by poogan on Nov 7, 2017 20:20:08 GMT
This forum should honestly be locked. It's gone so far off topic now.
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Post by Clover on Nov 7, 2017 20:33:14 GMT
This forum should honestly be locked. It's gone so far off topic now. I would prefer not to lock this thread just yet. There are players who still haven’t given their opinions on the original topic: to ban or not to ban casinos? I still haven’t posted my thoughts on it, but was planning to soon.
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Post by SunSeek on Nov 7, 2017 21:00:01 GMT
I wasn't gonna chime in beyond my vote but I think it might be best if I do so now. I'm all for banning gambling on the server.
This thread has changed my mind a great deal. I was never comfortable with gambling on this server when it was also trying to be a more friendly family server. Now that Safe Survival has embraced that, I feel it would be in SS's best interest to ban gambling as it keeps to the commitment of being a G server. I think it may be one of the very very few un-whitelisted Minecraft servers with this commitment.
As a parent, I still have yet to allow my girls on this server, mainly because of chat and yes chat does advertise gambling, annoyingly so. When I joined here, this was the only server I thought had potential to be what it is becoming, a place where everyone can have a good time playing Minecraft. I've watched staff grow and learn. I've watched the community grow and change. I think most of us have learned valuable lessons along the way.
But this poll is about should gambling be allowed on SS. No, as long as SS is committed to providing a G rating to Minecraft, then it has no place on the server at all. Gambling is an adult theme and it belongs to a more M rating. (M for Mature)
I'm not going to address other issues brought up in this thread. They are irrelevant to the question.
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Post by Thomas5200 on Nov 7, 2017 21:19:05 GMT
I'm going to ask just one question to you all.
Why was this brought up after we spent more than a month planning, preparing, claiming, getting people together and then building what we have so far?
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Post by Ikith on Nov 7, 2017 21:25:24 GMT
I'm going to ask just one question to you all. Why was this brought up after we spent more than a month planning, preparing, claiming, getting people together and then building what we have so far? Why ask all of us? Go ask Schaum why he brought it up and started the thread and poll. Furthermore why does it matter?
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Post by poogan on Nov 7, 2017 21:27:01 GMT
The only reason I ask is the thread has turned from ban casinos or not to ban to telling people they need to grow up. I like the constructive criticism here but I'm just putting my two sense in.
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Post by Ikith on Nov 7, 2017 21:29:18 GMT
The only reason I ask is the thread has turned from ban casinos or not to ban to telling people they need to grow up. I like the constructive criticism here but I'm just putting my two sense in. Thats because the thread has gone from constructive criticism against and for gambling machines to the ones that are losing throwing fits and attacking others.
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Post by poogan on Nov 7, 2017 21:40:11 GMT
The only reason I ask is the thread has turned from ban casinos or not to ban to telling people they need to grow up. I like the constructive criticism here but I'm just putting my two sense in. Thats because the thread has gone from constructive criticism against and for gambling machines to the ones that are losing throwing fits and attacking others. Who would that be?
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Post by Dr_Positive on Nov 7, 2017 23:00:02 GMT
The question that needs to be answered is, are casinos appropriate and moral on a family-friendly G-rated server?
Casinos and gambling are far from G according to the ESRB. I was originally in support of casinos being allowed but after seeing all the good points made above about the vulnerability and impressionability of children I am more in favor of casinos being banned or restrictions being put in place. This way it would lessen the impact on the younger players we have on the server in order to protect them and stay within the G rating. Children just aren't able to comprehend the risks yet that come with gambling and can be easily lured into doing something they shouldn't be. Even adults struggle with gambling which only shows how much more vulnerable children are.
Btw I do think casinos are fun and I enjoy designing and playing them, the fact remains, however, that they just aren't kid-friendly, which is why I believe steps should be taken to protect the children we have on the server.
I have some more thoughts on this but don't have the time right now to write them all out, so will leave it at this for now.
Most of the answers to the aforementioned questions can be found further above them in posts such as Knootmare's and others.
Disclaimer=Speaking as a player, not staff.
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