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Post by Andrew on Nov 6, 2017 3:14:53 GMT
I agree with Amrou on this. There have been multiple altercations when it comes to gambling machines and it really made the server unenjoyable during those times. I think the standardizing of the stakes is the best option to appease everyone. It just means people will have to do without the fancy items like elytras and so on. Some things aren't worth the arguments.
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Post by Michael0z0 on Nov 6, 2017 5:43:50 GMT
I've never really been into redstone passed making a few doors/farms but couldn't you just make a standardized gambling machine?
That being said^ I like to gamble with real cash online and it can definitely be addictive Especially with younger so I vote for the ban on gambling
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Post by Thomas5200 on Nov 6, 2017 5:59:32 GMT
I've never really been into redstone passed making a few doors/farms but couldn't you just make a standardized gambling machine? That being said^ I like to gamble with real cash online and it can definitely be addictive Especially with younger so I vote for the ban on gambling If you made a standardized gambling machine that would take out the point of making them. I find it fun to create unique, enjoyable games which attract more people, so I can run/build minigames such as Bow Battles.
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Post by Michael0z0 on Nov 6, 2017 8:02:16 GMT
I've never really been into redstone passed making a few doors/farms but couldn't you just make a standardized gambling machine? That being said^ I like to gamble with real cash online and it can definitely be addictive Especially with younger so I vote for the ban on gambling If you made a standardized gambling machine that would take out the point of making them. I find it fun to create unique, enjoyable games which attract more people, so I can run/build minigames such as Bow Battles. How would making a standardized gambling machine remove the point of making one? Isn't the whole point of making a gambling machine to make dias/other valuable items?
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Post by Tasha on Nov 6, 2017 8:16:31 GMT
This is my previous post from April 2017. I still stand the same on this issue.
“My daughter Alyssa is 9, she gambled away a ton of diamond blocks at a casino once. I've told her she's banned from doing that again. Last week she was back at the machines again. She said they were all excited about it in chat and a player asked her to come take a look at it. She gambled again.
I would prefer gambling machines weren't a thing on Safe survival.”
Influence and excitement posts from chat. Bright colourful advertising in chat. The comments from owners boasting about the prizes won at their casinos. This is what you’re putting out there to young impressionable minds. It’s all very tempting. Even when they’re advised not will try again in my daughters case. All so you can make a quick diamond block off anyone and everyone Doesn’t matter who. I vote no casinos.
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Post by johnboner on Nov 6, 2017 15:15:18 GMT
Influence and excitement posts from chat. Bright colourful advertising in chat. The comments from owners boasting about the prizes won at their casinos. This is what you’re putting out there to young impressionable minds. It’s all very tempting. Even when they’re advised not will try again in my daughters case. All so you can make a quick diamond block off anyone and everyone Doesn’t matter who. ^ This right here really gets down to the meat of what makes this an issue for this server specifically. In any game involving micro-transactions or gambling of any sort, there are rules put in place by ESRB to keep children away from those things, provided the parents follow ESRB ratings on what they allow their kids to play. You're not going to see the concepts of gambling or loot boxes or whatever in Phonixs or Jumpstart game with an ESRB rating of E. Now this server, and Minecraft itself, tries to maintain an ESRB rating of E 10+ (suitable for all audiences 10 or older). Thus the restrictions to profanity, mature content, etc. However it clearly says here that by ESRB standards: "Titles rated T (Teen) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 13 and older. Titles in this category may contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language." Now that to me sounds like exactly the kinds of things that are restricted on this server doesn't it? We don't allow strong language, suggestive themes, or crude humor. So if this truly is a "safe survival" family friendly server, and we most certainly have players below the age of 13, then regardless of it being everywhere in the world around us, as per the rules how can we morally allow kids access to it and still claim to be friendly for all ages? Especially when the advertising for casinos on the server uses the exact same marketing tricks that things such as cigarette and alcohol companies used in the early years of television? Things such as bold colorful flashy lettering, or the offering of big rewards. For those older than 25-30, you may very well remember a time when such vices were advertised as cool and good for you, and it wasn't until the nation chose to address the growing rate of underage smokers and drinkers that laws were passed to keep such advertisements from targeting children. But as Tasha demonstrates from an adults point of view, such hype methods are VERY effective to kids, and the people who run these games care not who plays them, since they profit all the more from reckless playing, citing instead that it's all in the name of 'fun'. Like any incentive based thing, it is fun when you win. It is thrilling, it makes you want to play more. This is why gambling works in real life too. That fun goes away however once the losing starts. Peoples feelings get hurt and as the mods said above this can lead to people getting toxic, maybe not outright in chat but in a general negative feeling towards such things. And that's really the clincher of it, because the main argument people have for allowing casinos is: "You don't have to play if you don't want to", and while that is true, there is a big difference between casino machines just existing for the sake of fun, and existing for profit. To give a real life example some may be able to relate to: in the town where I grew up, the elementary school holds an annual Fall Festival at which the school is open for a night and kids are able to come and play games of chance or skill such as bean bag toss, guessing the number of jelly beans in a jar, cake walks, etc. The same games you see at things such as carnivals basically, and those are indeed gambling in the lose definition of the word. But the difference is this: At the carnival you have to pay money to play those games because they exist to make a profit, and are usually played by adults who understand the risk and want to win some form of prize. At the elementary school however, the games are free and still have prizes, and even if a child loses we still give them something. In that environment that is meant to be fun for kids K-6, we sought to make it not about raising profit for the school, but allowing everyone a good time, because people like to win and lets be honest, there are things where a kid could lose 20 times and keep playing because they want that one thing. So I'll put this out there as an open ended idea to the people who run these casinos and claim it's about bringing fun to the community through games, as someone who genuinely wants people to have fun while still maintaining the ethical nature of this safe place for kids and adults to play a game without risk of loss: if you genuinely care about this server and the people who play on it, show that you're not simply doing it for profit like it seems now. Don't try and leverage your desires to be more favorable by with-holding things such as bow battles or whatever, because that just makes you seem like all you care about IS the profit, and not the ability to let the players have fun. If I was in your shoes and genuinely wanted to make things like that for the community I would approach staff and ask for assistance. Or even better reach out to the community! Instead of using profit from your casino to fund such projects, ask for donations. If you wanted a way to keep your 'fun' gambling machines on the server and remove this issue all together, remove the stakes and come up with a way for everyone to win. I gave a guy 10 diamond blocks yesterday while running down the interstate road on the server. For no reason other than that I liked what he was building and wanted to provide incentive to keep up the good work. A community that is supposed to foster a fun and safe environment shouldn't be profit driven, generosity should be the norm. Yes resources are still needed for things, and yes its fun to have lots of diamonds, but what good is that horde of diamond blocks you plan to sit on at the cost of others once you already have all the things there are to be had? Now I know this is the internet and you can't expect people to be altruistic, but in any community there should be an attempt to garner good will between the members and a general reluctance to create strife. If someone conned a younger player on this server somehow, selling something far overpriced for example, and you knew of it, would you be okay with that? I know I wouldn't, because that goes against what this server stands for, but is that really so different from what could possibly happen with casinos? Because regardless of regulated odds or whatever, I could still flip a coin and get 10 tails in a row. Probability is fickle like that, and 50/50 odds don't always guarantee a win for a loss. So I don't know, just some food for thought for anyone still keeping up with this thread. Also, I'd like to thank Tasha for providing the viewpoint of a parent with a young child, representing a demographic of the server that is quite small since there aren't very many parent/kid pairs who play here. However when it comes to providing a parental standpoint to a community that is almost entirely under 18, that perspective is invaluable.
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Post by SkyFlower on Nov 6, 2017 15:23:48 GMT
John I completely understand what you are saying with casinos. Before reset I had my casino just for fun, but I didn't want players wasting all their diamonds at mine. If a player told me that they used all their diamonds at my casino I would give them some back because I didn't want them wasting all their diamonds. I don't want casinos to be banned but I understand they may have to because not all casinos owners are doing it for the fun of the players and if a player spent all their diamonds at the casino most owners would not give them some of their diamonds back.
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Post by PhoneBooth on Nov 7, 2017 1:44:00 GMT
This is my previous post from April 2017. I still stand the same on this issue. “My daughter Alyssa is 9, she gambled away a ton of diamond blocks at a casino once. I've told her she's banned from doing that again. Last week she was back at the machines again. She said they were all excited about it in chat and a player asked her to come take a look at it. She gambled again. I would prefer gambling machines weren't a thing on Safe survival.” Influence and excitement posts from chat. Bright colourful advertising in chat. The comments from owners boasting about the prizes won at their casinos. This is what you’re putting out there to young impressionable minds. It’s all very tempting. Even when they’re advised not will try again in my daughters case. All so you can make a quick diamond block off anyone and everyone Doesn’t matter who. I vote no casinos. Yes, this. This is an amazing example of the issue.I have been observing the conversations had here, and in the server since this issue popped up. There is an aggressive defence for any criticism by some of the owners. Like an utter unwillingness to understand the potential ( If not already) issues with gambling machines in a game for kids- on a server that is supposed to be family friendly and PG. There is a distinct lack of sympathy for people. The big one being the "Its their own fault" (Which was even said on Page 1 of this thread) for unwittingly spending the servers currency, diamonds, on redstone machine games where the odds are In the favour of the Casino. These people should absolutely have your sympathy. They're children. They are young teens. Perhaps even adults unwittingly exposed to a form of physiological manipulation with bright chat text colours, boasts of big wins, and these ideas that they could leave the establishment with more than they ever walked in with. Who is to say they have the mental fortitude to defend themselves from such tantalizing ideas and visuals put forward. False promises of fortune that most realize will never happen through gambling. I wanted there to be a middle ground where both sides of this could walk away with win. But I found myself questioning one of the current Swamp Casino owners moral standings. I had asked about a "First 10 people here [Swamp Casino] get a free game!" that was being advertised brightly in chat a day or perhaps two ago. I mentioned how I watched the chat and observed no winners, but, did observer someone questioning why the machine only spun one game wheel. As well the comments of another saying "So no winners on 10 games? lol" What are the actual odds? My own questioning and criticism- as a defender of the idea of a form of gambling being allowed I might add. Led to this said owner threatening to "Block" me in public chat. (I imagine he means /ignore) I am not sure how we are suppose to talk about this openly and honestly for the betterment of the server if we have people like this running these establishments with this lack of sympathy and such volatile angry directed responses to light criticism. We even see it here, in this thread. These are people acting on pure profit. Defending their horde of gains on the backs of children with not a care for what they are doing and with little or no sympathy for the potential devastation. After reading Tasha's post and seeing its not just a hypothetical issue but an actual one. As well as my own dealings with these aggressive individuals. I pull my support for a middle ground as I don't think we can have one with the current environment. I imagine it would just be better to out and out remove the issue for admins and server users alike. Remove the temptation on both sides. Now, to add all of the odds and general PG space controversy: The hostile buying out of all the land around the Swamp Warp. By no means do I think this is wrong normally. All is fair when it comes to warp acquisitions. But with the casino owners' four block high fence/walls on 3 of the 4 sides of the admin claim and the player warping to the spot to see nothing but walls and claims by the same owners -it acts as a funnel. I wouldn't be surprised if a new player could think this is regulated or perhaps owned by staff. As well, the complete lack of development of all the bought spaces around the Swamp Casino only adds to the pull it has in that warp. But the acquisitions monopolizes the warp and suffocates out all competing land grabs making the space worthless to all but the few who happen to not be on the other side of a carved out mountain or a four block high wall.
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Post by bluebaboon73 on Nov 7, 2017 1:58:47 GMT
I believe that Casinos are a choice that the player is taking. They do not have to play them. Casino machines are the most fun games on the server. Without some risk, I don't feel involved in the game, and it feels like it does not matter. My vote is NO. Casinos should not be banned. It makes me sad to see this one poll possibly changing the gameplay of the server.
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Post by bluebaboon73 on Nov 7, 2017 2:02:21 GMT
i do think that it is bad to expose younger kids to gambling. however, you don't have to do it and as long as it is checked out and cleared by a mod, i see no issue. I agree with this as well. Minecraft diamonds and other currency are in a computer game. they are not real. If kids loose diamonds it may, in fact, deter them from gambling.
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Post by BlingCake on Nov 7, 2017 2:07:39 GMT
Phone, your points are all valid, but I think that SWC wasn't necessarily wrong. Its hard to find the motivation to continue developing when you are getting shot at left and right whether it be EWC, jerk players (me, apologize again) or other things....now let's hope and pray that this doesn't turn into another SWC debate.
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Post by Thomas5200 on Nov 7, 2017 3:28:05 GMT
PhoneBooth I would like to reply to your statement, which I find is often misleading and untruthful. I wanted there to be a middle ground where both sides of this could walk away with win. But I found myself questioning one of the current Swamp Casino owners moral standings. I had asked about a "First 10 people here [Swamp Casino] get a free game!" that was being advertised brightly in chat a day or perhaps two ago. We were giving away free spins to entice people to come check out our machines, no doubt. However, we were only enticing people to come check us out since we were low on diamonds, and in desperate need of building supplies such as quartz. I mentioned how I watched the chat and observed no winners, but, did observer someone questioning why the machine only spun one game wheel. As well the comments of another saying "So no winners on 10 games? lol" What are the actual odds? The odds on the machine (which we can't change) are at about ~1/64 chance of winning 3 in a row. That being said, we only charge one diamond per play, but you can win either 8 iron blocks, 8 gold blocks, 8 diamond blocks or 8 emerald blocks, depending on which three you line up. Additionally, on that day we had many people win prizes, some even on their first try. We had two people win the diamond blocks, which added up to a total of 16 diamond blocks. One of those winners was Kaz (Kazurino) who actually won it on a free spin later in the day. These are people acting on pure profit. Defending their horde of gains on the backs of children with not a care for what they are doing and with little or no sympathy for the potential devastation. We are not doing it for "pure profit" although some probably do. Sure we make a profit, however, we are putting it towards creating new stuff at the Swamp Warp. Our team totals at 10 players currently, and the amount of quartz that has gone into this project is immense. We are not greedy, or looking to extort children, solely to fund our efforts. I hope you can understand that. The hostile buying out of all the land around the Swamp Warp. Hostile? We traded the many claims we had at other warps in order to attain the land at the Swamp Warp. We had 3 sides of the Mesa Warp, 1 side of the MI, 2 sides of the Jungle Warp, and many other claims, and now we are reduced to only having a few left. We also spent many diamond blocks to get other lands. We offered people great deals, which weren't that great for us. What part of that is hostile? But with the casino owners' four block high fence/walls on 3 of the 4 sides of the admin claim and the player warping to the spot to see nothing but walls and claims by the same owners -it acts as a funnel. I wouldn't be surprised if a new player could think this is regulated or perhaps owned by staff. We did that to stop players from coming in and messing with stuff/finding small unclaimed holes and perhaps griefing those. We even checked with a staff member and were told it was fine, for which I can provide logs if necessary. Additionally, the wall only covered less than 2 sides of the warp. We ended up changing it so that it only blocked off the actual casino, and everyone could head in the other three directions. As well, the complete lack of development of all the bought spaces around the Swamp Casino only adds to the pull it has in that warp. But the acquisitions monopolizes the warp and suffocates out all competing land grabs making the space worthless to all but the few who happen to not be on the other side of a carved out mountain or a four block high wall. "Lack of development" If you would look, you would be able to see a massive building being built, and if you had seen chat messages from when we got the Swamp Warp, you would've heard that we have 3 terraformers who are planning to terraform the parts of the warp we're not using, and create a custom landscape. Additionally, the mountain has been gone for a few days, and I do not know how you wouldn't be able to notice this... We decided to monopolize the warp since we found last reset that there were too many random things around our claims that created lag, and rendered it impossible for us to do anything amazing with the Swamp Warp. Now we have the chance to make something truly special since we have a whole warp, and people are bashing us for trying to find the means to fund it. =============================== Finally, I'd like to leave the public with a snippet of your conversation with poogan, where he remains respectful, but the same can't be said for you. [18:33:01] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Loki> The same way gambling isn't against the rules atm, it was never considered something that would happen here [18:33:18] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> good thing im not scamming ;D [18:33:29] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Veteran | PhoneBooth> pretty close to it, poogle [18:33:32] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> nope [18:33:36] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> not at all [18:33:53] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Veteran | PhoneBooth> How many people did that free game? 10? How many won? [18:33:59] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> TONS [18:34:00] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> holy alot [18:34:01] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> lol [18:34:10] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Veteran | PhoneBooth> I recall- none ============ [18:34:21] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> orange won several times and flower won on 2nd turn and 4th turn lol [18:34:27] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> several more [18:34:30] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *PumpkinSpiceFlower> i never won [18:34:32] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> there was too many ppl to count [18:34:39] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> then who was it [18:34:42] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Veteran | PhoneBooth> Yikes, telling lies little one?[18:34:47] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *PumpkinSpiceFlower> idk but i never won lol [18:34:48] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> they won 8 db on there 2nd win [18:35:08] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> this is when i block phone [18:35:14] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Kydog> my friend got 8IB for 4 dia which is actually under market rate [18:35:14] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *PumpkinSpiceFlower> if i had won i woyld have more then 5 dia lol [18:35:34] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Veteran | PhoneBooth> Man this is what is iffy about these machines. They might be fine- but boy are the people running these casinos just yellow Phone, your points are all valid, but I think that SWC wasn't necessarily wrong. Its hard to find the motivation to continue developing when you are getting shot at left and right whether it be EWC, jerk players (me, apologize again) or other things....now let's hope and pray that this doesn't turn into another SWC debate. I also feel that Bling summarizes how we are feeling quite well in their post. We have been constantly attacked by many players/staff members over our existence. Here's a list of some of the stuff on the forums: I'm hurtEWC (Harassment/Bullying By Some Staff Members)Poogan banned for PM messages - This was simply done to provoke him, and there was no basis for the ban, which resulted in him being unbanned the next day. Why we closed before the resetIn order to remove our casino they made the warp harder to access We even tried to have official rules created.
As you can see, many have tried to hunt us, and not stopped to consider how we feel. Why not take that time now, and put yourselves in our shoes? We aren't money hungry people who try to take advantage of little children. We are just normal people with big hopes just like any other players. Thomas & Poogan
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Post by Wolf lover on Nov 7, 2017 4:36:31 GMT
I'm just going to say Thomas, #LONGLIVESWC!!
May luck be on your side, and may you not face the problems that occurred in the past I would love to help you make SWC a amazing place, I don't need any of the profits or pay.
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Post by Ikith on Nov 7, 2017 4:51:38 GMT
A very basic opinion: Casino's should be banned on SS if SS wants to maintain a G rating. I'll probably explain more later but I really don't feel good right now and don't want to be bothered with typing out a big explanation. I feel Tasha hits the nail on the head as well as the others that say that casinos are far too attractive and tempting to minors.
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Post by PhoneBooth on Nov 7, 2017 6:17:36 GMT
PhoneBooth I would like to reply to your statement, which I find is often misleading and untruthful. I wanted there to be a middle ground where both sides of this could walk away with win. But I found myself questioning one of the current Swamp Casino owners moral standings. I had asked about a "First 10 people here [Swamp Casino] get a free game!" that was being advertised brightly in chat a day or perhaps two ago. We were giving away free spins to entice people to come check out our machines, no doubt. However, we were only enticing people to come check us out since we were low on diamonds, and in desperate need of building supplies such as quartz. I mentioned how I watched the chat and observed no winners, but, did observer someone questioning why the machine only spun one game wheel. As well the comments of another saying "So no winners on 10 games? lol" What are the actual odds? The odds on the machine (which we can't change) are at about ~1/64 chance of winning 3 in a row. That being said, we only charge one diamond per play, but you can win either 8 iron blocks, 8 gold blocks, 8 diamond blocks or 8 emerald blocks, depending on which three you line up. Additionally, on that day we had many people win prizes, some even on their first try. We had two people win the diamond blocks, which added up to a total of 16 diamond blocks. One of those winners was Kaz (Kazurino) who actually won it on a free spin later in the day. These are people acting on pure profit. Defending their horde of gains on the backs of children with not a care for what they are doing and with little or no sympathy for the potential devastation. We are not doing it for "pure profit" although some probably do. Sure we make a profit, however, we are putting it towards creating new stuff at the Swamp Warp. Our team totals at 10 players currently, and the amount of quartz that has gone into this project is immense. We are not greedy, or looking to extort children, solely to fund our efforts. I hope you can understand that. The hostile buying out of all the land around the Swamp Warp. Hostile? We traded the many claims we had at other warps in order to attain the land at the Swamp Warp. We had 3 sides of the Mesa Warp, 1 side of the MI, 2 sides of the Jungle Warp, and many other claims, and now we are reduced to only having a few left. We also spent many diamond blocks to get other lands. We offered people great deals, which weren't that great for us. What part of that is hostile? But with the casino owners' four block high fence/walls on 3 of the 4 sides of the admin claim and the player warping to the spot to see nothing but walls and claims by the same owners -it acts as a funnel. I wouldn't be surprised if a new player could think this is regulated or perhaps owned by staff. We did that to stop players from coming in and messing with stuff/finding small unclaimed holes and perhaps griefing those. We even checked with a staff member and were told it was fine, for which I can provide logs if necessary. Additionally, the wall only covered less than 2 sides of the warp. We ended up changing it so that it only blocked off the actual casino, and everyone could head in the other three directions. As well, the complete lack of development of all the bought spaces around the Swamp Casino only adds to the pull it has in that warp. But the acquisitions monopolizes the warp and suffocates out all competing land grabs making the space worthless to all but the few who happen to not be on the other side of a carved out mountain or a four block high wall. "Lack of development" If you would look, you would be able to see a massive building being built, and if you had seen chat messages from when we got the Swamp Warp, you would've heard that we have 3 terraformers who are planning to terraform the parts of the warp we're not using, and create a custom landscape. Additionally, the mountain has been gone for a few days, and I do not know how you wouldn't be able to notice this... We decided to monopolize the warp since we found last reset that there were too many random things around our claims that created lag, and rendered it impossible for us to do anything amazing with the Swamp Warp. Now we have the chance to make something truly special since we have a whole warp, and people are bashing us for trying to find the means to fund it. =============================== Finally, I'd like to leave the public with a snippet of your conversation with poogan, where he remains respectful, but the same can't be said for you. [18:33:01] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Loki> The same way gambling isn't against the rules atm, it was never considered something that would happen here [18:33:18] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> good thing im not scamming ;D [18:33:29] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Veteran | PhoneBooth> pretty close to it, poogle [18:33:32] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> nope [18:33:36] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> not at all [18:33:53] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Veteran | PhoneBooth> How many people did that free game? 10? How many won? [18:33:59] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> TONS [18:34:00] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> holy alot [18:34:01] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> lol [18:34:10] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Veteran | PhoneBooth> I recall- none ============ [18:34:21] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> orange won several times and flower won on 2nd turn and 4th turn lol [18:34:27] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> several more [18:34:30] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *PumpkinSpiceFlower> i never won [18:34:32] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> there was too many ppl to count [18:34:39] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> then who was it [18:34:42] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Veteran | PhoneBooth> Yikes, telling lies little one?[18:34:47] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *PumpkinSpiceFlower> idk but i never won lol [18:34:48] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> they won 8 db on there 2nd win [18:35:08] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Poogle> this is when i block phone [18:35:14] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *Kydog> my friend got 8IB for 4 dia which is actually under market rate [18:35:14] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Epic | *PumpkinSpiceFlower> if i had won i woyld have more then 5 dia lol [18:35:34] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Veteran | PhoneBooth> Man this is what is iffy about these machines. They might be fine- but boy are the people running these casinos just yellow Phone, your points are all valid, but I think that SWC wasn't necessarily wrong. Its hard to find the motivation to continue developing when you are getting shot at left and right whether it be EWC, jerk players (me, apologize again) or other things....now let's hope and pray that this doesn't turn into another SWC debate. I also feel that Bling summarizes how we are feeling quite well in their post. We have been constantly attacked by many players/staff members over our existence. Here's a list of some of the stuff on the forums: I'm hurtEWC (Harassment/Bullying By Some Staff Members)Poogan banned for PM messages - This was simply done to provoke him, and there was no basis for the ban, which resulted in him being unbanned the next day. Why we closed before the resetIn order to remove our casino they made the warp harder to access We even tried to have official rules created.
As you can see, many have tried to hunt us, and not stopped to consider how we feel. Why not take that time now, and put yourselves in our shoes? We aren't money hungry people who try to take advantage of little children. We are just normal people with big hopes just like any other players. Thomas & Poogan You try really hard to shake my own observations and criticisms by making me out to be as bad, lying, and out to get you two as all them nasty ol' mods who, quiescently, have had problems with you two before- (And you with them) - and for what looks like for months. Thanks for the links. I don't think I need to say more really. The amount of effort you put into making me look like some sort of rabid hater is astonishing. More so when I see that you treat the moderators the same way. This isn't some courtroom. There is no jury. It doesn't matter how you voted or what you say in here or even how many people you bring to the table to stand with you. Ultimately, none of this has no bearing on the decision. I also don't think it matters how you decide to try to paint me and attempt to invalidate my points with what you say about me, or how you make me look, or seem like... Because you didn't touch on the issue at all. Bit of target confusion I think. You didn't touch on the fact that this is gambling, which is proven to negatively affect people, mentally and fiscally. This is readily available information posted by some top government researchers. Gambling and its negative impacts are just a Google search away. You also didn't have anything to say about the fact that this is gambling in a game which generally has lots of children making up more than half the audience of the game, on a server which is labelled as "Family Friendly". The term "family friendly" essentially calling out to families who play games together, a safe place for children and their parents alike. I think Tasha's story shows how, that isn't exactly true with user ran gambling machines up on the server. This isn't hypothetical anymore. This is actually a real issue. This happened. There is no protection for the children, young teens or possible challenged or disabled individuals from what is a form of physiological manipulation with fancy text advertisements, boastful wins, and colourful reactive red stone games that turn on for a second for just a Diamond Bock worth of time. This, in a game where a parent thinks they could safely leave their child to build and explore. On a server that wants to protect that. I think this is a wonderful opportunity for the server to no longer turn a blind eye to what is shady practice that breeds more negative issues for moderators and users alike, then positive. And as a post note: Yes, I quoted the whole thing. I don't want to you changing anything as I think your post speaks volumes for the issues at hand and my observations before your post. Thanks - PhoneBooth & PhoneBooth
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