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Post by <3NobleTreason<3 on Oct 20, 2016 12:20:51 GMT
I don't like the fact that Schaum dropped so many Guardian Rods, anything else would have been pretty fine. It's just that that item is way to overpowered for a lot of people to have, so it makes PVP a little repetitive seeing 5+ people in the arenas with Rods. Not to mention that a majority of the people that own one also have some sort of speed item. On the point of Cocaine and Beating Stick being inappropriate, I don't think it is. Cocaine is meant as a joke because its insanely fast, and the Beating Stick is a mod item i believe? I might change my opinion because I'm not sure. I say lets role with the jokes. Lets cater to the 12-14 y/os. Not the 8 year olds we do now.
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Post by work on Oct 20, 2016 13:13:03 GMT
I don't like the fact that Schaum dropped so many Guardian Rods, anything else would have been pretty fine. It's just that that item is way to overpowered for a lot of people to have, so it makes PVP a little repetitive seeing 5+ people in the arenas with Rods. Not to mention that a majority of the people that own one also have some sort of speed item. On the point of Cocaine and Beating Stick being inappropriate, I don't think it is. Cocaine is meant as a joke because its insanely fast, and the Beating Stick is a mod item i believe? I might change my opinion because I'm not sure. I say lets role with the jokes. Lets cater to the 12-14 y/os. Not the 8 year olds we do now. I totally agree, I believe most of the players on the server are old enough to handle satire of this extent.
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Post by SunSeek on Oct 20, 2016 13:24:57 GMT
I say lets role with the jokes. Lets cater to the 12-14 y/os. Not the 8 year olds we do now. I totally agree, I believe most of the players on the server are old enough to handle satire of this extent. Well, I'm not surprised anyone could think encouraging and promoting drugs even as a joke was appropriate for 12-14 years old. Yes, it's more likely true that 12-14 years olds hear a lot worse from their peers who,hmm where do they hear it from? Irresponsible adults more likely. The issue for me is acceptability. If these kind of jokes are acceptable, then this isn't a family friendly server at all. It's a mature audience server, the kind where adult, bawdy, raunchy humor is acceptable which includes drug references. If that's where the owner wants to take this server to, that's his prerogative. Just don't continue claiming this is a family friendly server. As it is, I won't let my nine year old on here.
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Post by work on Oct 20, 2016 13:32:08 GMT
I totally agree, I believe most of the players on the server are old enough to handle satire of this extent. Well, I'm not surprised anyone could think encouraging and promoting drugs even as a joke was appropriate for 12-14 years old. Yes, it's more likely true that 12-14 years olds hear a lot worse from their peers who,hmm where do they hear it from? Irresponsible adults more likely. The issue for me is acceptability. If these kind of jokes are acceptable, then this isn't a family friendly server at all. It's a mature audience server, the kind where adult, bawdy, raunchy humor is acceptable which includes drug references. If that's where the owner wants to take this server to, that's his prerogative. Just don't continue claiming this is a family friendly server. As it is, I won't let my nine year old on here. I see where you're coming from with the drugs being inappropriate, but the thing with that item in particular is that so little people have it that anyone that has one is not parading around telling people what the sugar is named. Also, it was said by Schaum a while back if I believe, that if you ever got one, you are not allowed to give it or sell it to any person in any circumstance.
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Post by <3NobleTreason<3 on Oct 20, 2016 13:37:21 GMT
I totally agree, I believe most of the players on the server are old enough to handle satire of this extent. Well, I'm not surprised anyone could think encouraging and promoting drugs even as a joke was appropriate for 12-14 years old. Yes, it's more likely true that 12-14 years olds hear a lot worse from their peers who,hmm where do they hear it from? Irresponsible adults more likely. The issue for me is acceptability. If these kind of jokes are acceptable, then this isn't a family friendly server at all. It's a mature audience server, the kind where adult, bawdy, raunchy humor is acceptable which includes drug references. If that's where the owner wants to take this server to, that's his prerogative. Just don't continue claiming this is a family friendly server. As it is, I won't let my nine year old on here. Its called maturity, and I don't think catering to our smallest audience is worth losing a higher level of socialization. And we could lose a few players yeah, or we can keep losing our longest standing players.
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Post by SunSeek on Oct 20, 2016 13:39:37 GMT
It's been a horribly kept secret then. Folks know about, discussing it and they want some of it. I don't know which is the bigger joke, a speed item named 'cocaine' or that a lot of folks want 'cocaine'. Either way, it's not something quiet.
It's Schaum's server and he gets to do what he wants. But I think it's clear this will never be a family friendly server with actions like that from the owner. So, now what?
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Post by <3NobleTreason<3 on Oct 20, 2016 13:41:57 GMT
It's been a horribly kept secret then. Folks know about, discussing it and they want some of it. I don't know which is the bigger joke, a speed item named 'cocaine' or that a lot of folks want 'cocaine'. Either way, it's not something quiet. It's Schaum's server and he gets to do what he wants. But I think it's clear this will never be a family friendly server with actions like that from the owner. So, now what? Finally i can agree with you on something. Lets stop pretending to be a family server. It is clearly not at the level of our whim. Lets stop trying to please everyone and focus on our core audience and donators.
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Post by work on Oct 20, 2016 13:45:29 GMT
It's been a horribly kept secret then. Folks know about, discussing it and they want some of it. I don't know which is the bigger joke, a speed item named 'cocaine' or that a lot of folks want 'cocaine'. Either way, it's not something quiet. It's Schaum's server and he gets to do what he wants. But I think it's clear this will never be a family friendly server with actions like that from the owner. So, now what? Finally i can agree with you on something. Lets stop pretending to be a family server. It is clearly not at the level of our whim. Lets stop trying to please everyone and focus on our core audience and donators. I couldn't agree more.
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Post by SunSeek on Oct 20, 2016 13:49:11 GMT
It's been a horribly kept secret then. Folks know about, discussing it and they want some of it. I don't know which is the bigger joke, a speed item named 'cocaine' or that a lot of folks want 'cocaine'. Either way, it's not something quiet. It's Schaum's server and he gets to do what he wants. But I think it's clear this will never be a family friendly server with actions like that from the owner. So, now what? Finally i can agree with you on something. Lets stop pretending to be a family server. It is clearly not at the level of our whim. Lets stop trying to please everyone and focus on our core audience and donators. The only reason why I was here, was because this was such a strongly moderated family server. That's why I spoke up in the first place. If that's truly gone, then I've got no business being here. All the other issues are just drama then. Mods should enforce without flinching. Mutes and bans rule the day. And the beatings should stop once morale improves.
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Post by <3NobleTreason<3 on Oct 20, 2016 13:52:05 GMT
Finally i can agree with you on something. Lets stop pretending to be a family server. It is clearly not at the level of our whim. Lets stop trying to please everyone and focus on our core audience and donators. The only reason why I was here, was because this was such a strongly moderated family server. That's why I spoke up in the first place. If that's truly gone, then I've got no business being here. All the other issues are just drama then. Mods should enforce without flinching. Mutes and bans rule the day. And the beatings should stop once morale improves. Wow you sound like an upstart, fun, and loving member of the community. Definitely not inwardly selfish and aggressive at all. I think I know where some toxicity is coming from.
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Post by debatesmith on Oct 20, 2016 13:53:54 GMT
The only reason why I was here, was because this was such a strongly moderated family server. That's why I spoke up in the first place. If that's truly gone, then I've got no business being here. All the other issues are just drama then. Mods should enforce without flinching. Mutes and bans rule the day. And the beatings should stop once morale improves. Wow you sound like an upstart, fun, and loving member of the community. Definitely not inwardly selfish and aggressive at all. I think I know where some toxicity is coming from. IMO this was a more aggressive comment than his. Let's try to keep this constructive and not personally attack each other alright...
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Post by work on Oct 20, 2016 13:56:18 GMT
Wow you sound like an upstart, fun, and loving member of the community. Definitely not inwardly selfish and aggressive at all. I think I know where some toxicity is coming from. IMO this was a more aggressive comment than his. Let's try to keep this constructive and not personally attack each other alright... He has a point though. Also, there would probably be less drama if chat were a little less restricted. An example would be that players aren't allowed to say "wtf" without 5 or 6 people saying "language" and getting messaged by a staff member. I'm not saying lets start outright blasting curse words in chat, but stuff like that is not completely bad.
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Post by <3NobleTreason<3 on Oct 20, 2016 13:58:04 GMT
Wow you sound like an upstart, fun, and loving member of the community. Definitely not inwardly selfish and aggressive at all. I think I know where some toxicity is coming from. IMO this was a more aggressive comment than his. Let's try to keep this constructive and not personally attack each other alright... Why do we do this to ourselves? Burden ourselves with angry people... bans,mutes,arguments over fun an silly things. Lets ditch sensitivity, it is killing the morale of our mods,our players,and our server as a whole. When did because it's fun, stop applying to a video game?
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Post by SunSeek on Oct 20, 2016 14:00:23 GMT
WOW! A play on words goes over everyone's heads. "the beatings will continue until morale improves" I just took it and twisted it a little to fit the situation here.
If this is considered toxic and aggressive, then yeah, moving this towards a mature audience server isn't going to go smoothly, at all.
But I was suggesting rather bluntly that mods stop apologising for modding and just 'go hard'.
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Post by <3NobleTreason<3 on Oct 20, 2016 14:03:24 GMT
WOW! A play on words goes over everyone's heads. "the beatings will continue until morale improves" I just took it and twisted it a little to fit the situation here. If this is considered toxic and aggressive, then yeah, moving this towards a mature audience server isn't going to go smoothly, at all. But I was suggesting rather bluntly that mods stop apologising for modding and just 'go hard'. You preach anger,hatred, and punishment is your issue. I don't want you neer my friends or my community. Id like my friends to be themselves, not this watered down version of fun you are aiming for.
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