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Post by Thomas5200 on Oct 17, 2017 4:25:02 GMT
Full In-Game Name: Thomas5200 Ban Reason: Afking at a spawner is NOT allowed (spider spawner) Person Who Banned You: Amrou Length of Ban: 7 days Appeal:It was claimed that I received multiple warnings from staff not to afk at spawners, however, I have only received one warning on my main account. The other ones happened on an alt, of which the large majority were partially or completely unjustified. Additionally, every I was warned they went ahead and destroyed all the drops I had collected, which turned out to be around 15-20 dubs of cow drops in total, which I believe was partially, if not completely unjustified. I'll start by explaining the warnings. The first one, (on alt) was from Ark, and it pertained to me having an alt afking at a spawner being not allowed. I was under the assumption that the cows had built up too high, and had started auto-killing, therefore causing it to be illegal. From there, I tried to be more careful not to let the cows autokill. The next day, I received a warning on the alt from Knoot, who said afking at spawners on alts was not allowed at all. I was told that my assumption had been incorrect, so I asked him where in the rules it said afking on alts was not allowed. I asked him this multiple times, and he didn't reply. Notes added are underlined.[22:23:30] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *spooknoot -> me] Your were warned yesternight by Arkline not to use your alt to AFK at spawners [22:23:38] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *spooknoot -> me] I'm confiscating the drops. [22:23:45] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> | Moderator | *spooknoot] I have been making sure not to let them get high [22:24:04] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> | Moderator | *spooknoot] I was under the understanding that the mobs got too high so I got in trouble. [22:24:57] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> | Moderator | *spooknoot] also it's not against the rules. 1 spawner is not a "large mob farm" [22:25:23] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *spooknoot -> me] Using an alt to activate a spawner with an account you're not playing on is not allowed. It says nowhere in the rules that I can't us an alt to afk at a spawner.[22:25:47] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> | Moderator | *spooknoot] But it's not in the rules [22:26:02] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *spooknoot -> me] We've been through this multiple times in the past. [22:26:16] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> | Moderator | *spooknoot] I was told that the entities got too high previously, and I wasn't using an alt then [22:26:34] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> | Moderator | *spooknoot] and yesterday, I was under the understanding that the mobs got too high, not the alt being a problem [22:26:35] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *spooknoot -> me] Which is a different offense [22:27:03] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> | Moderator | *spooknoot] But technically speaking, the grinding chamber is a 4 chunk area, so I can get 120 mobs without breaking rules [22:27:24] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *spooknoot -> me] We're talking 2 different rules here. [22:27:43] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> | Moderator | *spooknoot] But which rule says no alts? [22:28:03] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *spooknoot -> me] 1. AFKing in a spawner, making it go beyond normal limits of mobs and, at last, turning it into auto by letting them die of cramming damage. When Knoot contacted me, the entities had NOT gone above the limit.[22:28:09] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *spooknoot -> me] That's yesterday's problem. [22:28:22] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *spooknoot -> me] 2. Using an alt, an account you're not playing on, AFK at a spawner. [22:28:26] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> | Moderator | *spooknoot] yes, but today I have been grinding them for hours [22:28:46] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> | Moderator | *spooknoot] And they haven't gone above the limit [22:29:13] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *spooknoot -> me] Hence why your problem, now, is not going over the mob cap [22:29:20] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *spooknoot -> me] It's using the alt to AFK at a spawner [22:29:57] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> | Moderator | *spooknoot] But there's no rule against it
From here I recieved no response. I sent another message later, and the time on these logs shows that he simply chose not to respond.[22:31:06] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <| Moderator | *spooknoot> Visit the Pioneer Mall, the first and most popular auto-shop in the server! Currently selling a huge variety of enchanted books, and quartz! To visit, head to the Community Farm, right of Spawn, and look for the huge SHOP sign! [22:31:45] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> | Moderator | *spooknoot] The only rule that could go against it could be 4, but it's not a large farm, and it has an on off switch [22:37:00] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> | Moderator | *spooknoot] Unless I can be shown a rule I don't see why I can't afk on an alt From there, I went ahead and built a sword for my alt to use. Therefore, I wasn't afking at the spawner on it, I was simply using it to grind the spawner. From there, I used one account to grind the (single) cow spawner for drops, but mainly xp for enchanting lv 30 books. Later, my alt account got kicked and later banned for supposedly afking at the spawner, which was false. I had been grinding the cows while pvping on my main, and I found myself banned (on the alt) for supposedly letting 2000+ cows be auto-killed by entity clear when in reality, I had been grinding them with a sword and had the levels and enchanted books to prove it. I did not in any way let 2000+ cows get killed by entity cramming, and it would be really hard to do since there was only one spawner. This ban wasn't warranted, and the ban on my main wasn't either. Additionally, the ban on my main was for letting the spiders at a triple spider spawner autokill due to me being afk, which supposedly gave me an advantage. They did end up auto-killing, but that shouldn't have been an issue. All the hoppers and chests were full of items, so I did not gain any sort of advantage, and I was semi-afk since I was watching Netflix at the same time. Therefore, the "final offense" was unjustified, since I was not afk, and I did not gain an advantage from the spiders auto-killing. I believe my ban should at least be reduced, if not removed because many of the "multiple warnings" I received, along with the "final offense" weren't bannable. I will stress the point that nowhere in the rules does it say I cannot use an alt to afk/grind a spawner. A falsified offense such as this shouldn't warrant a 7-day ban. Have a good day, Thomas
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Post by Knootmare on Oct 17, 2017 17:35:26 GMT
Thomas, don't say you weren't warned several times not to AFK at spawners. In chronological order:
1. You were banned, in March, for AFKing at a polar bear spawner. Back then, you were verbally warned and kicked for doing it, including once by myself, if I do recall correctly, before being punished with a 2-day ban. 2. Last Wednesday, you were verbally warned and kicked by Arkline, in your alt, following a verbal discussion regarding AFKing at spawners. [10:51:15] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] -- [6 days, 11 hours, 24 minutes ago] --
[10:51:15] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] Adam2000 was kicked by Arkline: 'I will discuss this with the other staff members, Thomas. 3. Then, again, on Friday, you were verbally warned and kicked by myself, in your alt, followed by a verbal discussion in which it was made clear you shouldn't use your alternate account to activate spawners while you play on your other account: [10:51:15] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] -- [4 days, 11 hours, 28 minutes ago] --
[10:51:15] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] Adam2000 was kicked by Knootmare: 'AFKing with alts on spawners is not allowed.' 4. Once more, yesterday, you were caught using your alt account, AFK, to activate a spawner. Clover kicked you once more: [10:51:15] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] -- [18 hours, 56 minutes ago] --
[10:51:15] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] Adam2000 was kicked by CloverPetal: 'do NOT AFK at grinders (cow)' After plenty of discussion within Staff, we decided our verbal warns and kicks weren't being taken in consideration at all. Hence, we decided to give your alternate account a 2-weeks ban, seeing as you had violated the same rule several times: [10:51:15] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] -- [18 hours, 9 minutes ago] --
[10:51:15] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] Adam2000 was banned by Amrou_Kithkin: 'Afking at a cow spawner and allowing close to 2000 cows to die from entity cramming is NOT allowed' [Active]
[10:51:15] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] Expires in 13 days, 5 hours, 50 minutes. As if our point hadn't been made clear yet, you decided to go AFK once again, this time on your main account, whilst grinding spiders. Amrou tried talking to you twice, with half a minute inbetween messages: [20:25:37] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> | Epic | *Thomas] are you there?
[20:25:55] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> | Epic | *Thomas] HELLO You then were kicked: [20:26:23] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] Thomas5200 has been kicked. And it took you over 2 minutes, from the first time Amrou messaged you, to show any signs of life: [20:27:49] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] [+] Thomas5200 has joined. After the repeated warns and kicks, and considering your past history with offending the rules, we decided to ban you for a week. The ban was carrried out by Amrou: [18:29:53] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *AmrouTheUndeadPirate -> | Epic | *Thomas] You keep doing it tho, and you leave us with no choice but to ban you
[18:30:19] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Epic | *Thomas -> | Moderator | *AmrouTheUndeadPirate] no pls don't :P
[18:30:28] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Epic | *Thomas -> | Moderator | *AmrouTheUndeadPirate] because the spider spawner gave me no advantage
[18:30:30] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *AmrouTheUndeadPirate -> | Epic | *Thomas] you really are not leaving us a choice
[18:30:40] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Epic | *Thomas -> | Moderator | *AmrouTheUndeadPirate] The hoppers were full so I gained no items from it
[18:30:58] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *AmrouTheUndeadPirate -> | Epic | *Thomas] we do not allow afking at spawners and you know that.
[18:31:11] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Epic | *Thomas -> | Moderator | *AmrouTheUndeadPirate] It's not in the rules though? :L
[18:31:27] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *AmrouTheUndeadPirate -> | Epic | *Thomas] you have been warned by several mods about this
[18:32:05] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Epic | *Thomas -> | Moderator | *AmrouTheUndeadPirate] I was semiafk watching netflix, and I accidentally let it get too high, which gave me no advantage
[18:32:27] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *AmrouTheUndeadPirate -> | Epic | *Thomas] we have discussed it and you will be banned for a week. when you return if a single animal dies due to entity cramming your next ban will be longer
[18:32:44] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *AmrouTheUndeadPirate -> | Epic | *Thomas] am i understood?
[18:33:36] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Amrou_Kithkin tempbanned Thomas5200 for 7 days for 'Afking at a spawner is NOT allowed (spider spawner)'
Regarding the claim you barely let any cows die to entity cramming, and you didn't gain advantages from it: I would be very, very glad to post logs in here of 2,000 cows being killed by entity cramming. The post, however, would likely reach the character limit. So, instead, here goes a Pastebin with all logs. Regarding not gaining advantages from letting the spiders get crammed, the fact that the hoppers were full only goes to show how little care you were giving to it, and how you were, in fact, AFK. Also consider that the fact that drops weren't being collected doesn't mean you weren't getting levels, which could be then used to purchase claimblocks and repair/enchant items. By AFKing at the spider spawner, you were, indeed, gaining illicit advantages. Which brings me to the last point:
The rules applicable to the case fall under the "No AFK or lag machines" rule. I. AFKing at spawners is not allowed.II. By using your alt to activate a spawner while doing other stuff with your main account, you were effectively away-from-the-keyboard on the alt. III. By not answering to our calls when prompted, and not noticing having been kicked for a full two minutes while activating a spawner on your main account, you were effectively away-from-the-keyboard. IV. By refusing to comply to SEVERAL orders to not AFK at spawners, regardless of in which account, in THIS AND THE PREVIOUS MAP, you ALSO violated the rule that states that "Staff also has the discretion to decide whether or not a rule has been broken", disobeying a lawful order to comply.
For the aforementioned reasons, the ban will stay. The verbal warning given by Amrou in-game, too, will stay. The next time you fail to abide to these rules, another (harsher) punishment will be handled.
A note to the general community: As they currently stand, we believe the rules are clear enough. To even further explain the situations, however, the rules thread will be updated in the near future to explicitly state that: 1. Using alts to keep spawners, mob or plant farms active, while you play regularly on your main account, is not allowed. 2. AFKing at spawners is not allowed under any circumstances. 3. When suspected to be AFKing at spawners, the player must respond immediately to the moderator's message.
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Post by amrou on Oct 17, 2017 18:30:21 GMT
You have been told that we do not allow afking at spawners multiple times by multiple mods. You state "I have only received one warning on my main account. The other ones happened on an alt..." Previous ban of Thomas5200 Both your main account and your alt account are played by you, so it does not matter what account you are playing, you were told on both accounts to stop afking at spawners because you were allowing the mobs to pile up and die via the entity cram mechanic. The third line is the rule you have broken by allowing the spiders/cows, to die via the entity cram mechanic. I am unable to post pictures atm but hopefully Shadow will do so. 4. No afk or lag machines - Please keep 30 entities or below per chunk. - This includes large mob farms and afk pools (Gold farms are not allowed) - Any automatic killing mechanisms aren't allowed
- Any automatic redstone machines are also prohibited (i.e. fish farms, constant redstone clocks, etc) - Areas that are creating significant lag and are affecting FPS due to entities/redstone/mobs must be modified or completely removed so they do not affect other players We are not saying you are not allowed to use an alt to grind stuff, we are saying you cannot go afk and allow the animals to die via the entity cram mechanic. We have been using a three strike policy and this is your second one. The third strike will be a permaban.
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Post by Thomas5200 on Oct 17, 2017 18:52:57 GMT
You have been told that we do not allow afking at spawners multiple times by multiple mods. You state "I have only received one warning on my main account. The other ones happened on an alt..." Previous ban of Thomas5200 Both your main account and your alt account are played by you, so it does not matter what account you are playing, you were told on both accounts to stop afking at spawners because you were allowing the mobs to pile up and die via the entity cram mechanic. The third line is the rule you have broken by allowing the spiders/cows, to die via the entity cram mechanic. I am unable to post pictures atm but hopefully Shadow will do so. 4. No afk or lag machines - Please keep 30 entities or below per chunk. - This includes large mob farms and afk pools (Gold farms are not allowed) - Any automatic killing mechanisms aren't allowed
- Any automatic redstone machines are also prohibited (i.e. fish farms, constant redstone clocks, etc) - Areas that are creating significant lag and are affecting FPS due to entities/redstone/mobs must be modified or completely removed so they do not affect other players We are not saying you are not allowed to use an alt to grind stuff, we are saying you cannot go afk and allow the animals to die via the entity cram mechanic. We have been using a three strike policy and this is your second one. The third strike will be a permaban. As I pointed out previously, I was told by Knoot in the logs provided that the problem with my alt was not the rule you provided, but the fact that I was using an alternate account to grind a spawner. Exhibit A) [22:25:23] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *spooknoot -> me] Using an alt to activate a spawner with an account you're not playing on is not allowed. Exhibit B) [22:28:22] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *spooknoot -> me] 2. Using an alt, an account you're not playing on, AFK at a spawner. [22:28:26] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> | Moderator | *spooknoot] yes, but today I have been grinding them for hours [22:28:46] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> | Moderator | *spooknoot] And they haven't gone above the limit [22:29:13] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *spooknoot -> me] Hence why your problem, now, is not going over the mob cap [22:29:20] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *spooknoot -> me] It's using the alt to AFK at a spawner It's possible that the mobs may have gone above the mob cap, but I have been told that I was breaking a rule that doesn't exist. The ban claimed that I had received multiple warnings, which I had, but the warnings were unjustified since the rule I supposedly broke was made up. As I stated above, there is no rule at all here that forbids me from using an alt to grind spawners. I built my alt a grinding sword, and used it to kill cows, as me having 30 levels and 4-5 lv 30 enchanted books will easily prove, considering my alt was only grinding one spawner.
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Post by amrou on Oct 17, 2017 20:53:54 GMT
I caught you allowing the spiders to die via entity cramming mechanic on 10/16/2017. That breaks the rule "Any automatic killing mechanisms aren't allowed." You allowed spiders to die without any input from yourself. You have played long enough on this server and have heard it said in chat enough to know that the player must have direct input when killing mobs at a grinder. You did not have direct input to cause the spiders to die, therefore, you broke a rule and were banned, period.
I would like to point out that every mod who responded to your 1st ban on afking at a grinder state you were allowing either the mobs to go higher than the allowed 40 and/or the mobs were dying due to the entity cram mechanic.
Since you refuse to listen and follow the rules, you will have to deal with the consequences of your actions.
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Post by Thomas5200 on Oct 17, 2017 22:12:25 GMT
Thomas, don't say you weren't warned several times not to AFK at spawners. In chronological order:
1. You were banned, in March, for AFKing at a polar bear spawner. Back then, you were verbally warned and kicked for doing it, including once by myself, if I do recall correctly, before being punished with a 2-day ban. 2. Last Wednesday, you were verbally warned and kicked by Arkline, in your alt, following a verbal discussion regarding AFKing at spawners. [10:51:15] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] -- [6 days, 11 hours, 24 minutes ago] --
[10:51:15] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] Adam2000 was kicked by Arkline: 'I will discuss this with the other staff members, Thomas. 3. Then, again, on Friday, you were verbally warned and kicked by myself, in your alt, followed by a verbal discussion in which it was made clear you shouldn't use your alternate account to activate spawners while you play on your other account: [10:51:15] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] -- [4 days, 11 hours, 28 minutes ago] --
[10:51:15] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] Adam2000 was kicked by Knootmare: 'AFKing with alts on spawners is not allowed.' 4. Once more, yesterday, you were caught using your alt account, AFK, to activate a spawner. Clover kicked you once more: [10:51:15] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] -- [18 hours, 56 minutes ago] --
[10:51:15] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] Adam2000 was kicked by CloverPetal: 'do NOT AFK at grinders (cow)' After plenty of discussion within Staff, we decided our verbal warns and kicks weren't being taken in consideration at all. Hence, we decided to give your alternate account a 2-weeks ban, seeing as you had violated the same rule several times: [10:51:15] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] -- [18 hours, 9 minutes ago] --
[10:51:15] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] Adam2000 was banned by Amrou_Kithkin: 'Afking at a cow spawner and allowing close to 2000 cows to die from entity cramming is NOT allowed' [Active]
[10:51:15] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] Expires in 13 days, 5 hours, 50 minutes. As if our point hadn't been made clear yet, you decided to go AFK once again, this time on your main account, whilst grinding spiders. Amrou tried talking to you twice, with half a minute inbetween messages: [20:25:37] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> | Epic | *Thomas] are you there?
[20:25:55] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> | Epic | *Thomas] HELLO You then were kicked: [20:26:23] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] Thomas5200 has been kicked. And it took you over 2 minutes, from the first time Amrou messaged you, to show any signs of life: [20:27:49] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] [+] Thomas5200 has joined. After the repeated warns and kicks, and considering your past history with offending the rules, we decided to ban you for a week. The ban was carrried out by Amrou: [18:29:53] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *AmrouTheUndeadPirate -> | Epic | *Thomas] You keep doing it tho, and you leave us with no choice but to ban you
[18:30:19] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Epic | *Thomas -> | Moderator | *AmrouTheUndeadPirate] no pls don't :P
[18:30:28] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Epic | *Thomas -> | Moderator | *AmrouTheUndeadPirate] because the spider spawner gave me no advantage
[18:30:30] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *AmrouTheUndeadPirate -> | Epic | *Thomas] you really are not leaving us a choice
[18:30:40] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Epic | *Thomas -> | Moderator | *AmrouTheUndeadPirate] The hoppers were full so I gained no items from it
[18:30:58] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *AmrouTheUndeadPirate -> | Epic | *Thomas] we do not allow afking at spawners and you know that.
[18:31:11] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Epic | *Thomas -> | Moderator | *AmrouTheUndeadPirate] It's not in the rules though? :L
[18:31:27] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *AmrouTheUndeadPirate -> | Epic | *Thomas] you have been warned by several mods about this
[18:32:05] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Epic | *Thomas -> | Moderator | *AmrouTheUndeadPirate] I was semiafk watching netflix, and I accidentally let it get too high, which gave me no advantage
[18:32:27] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *AmrouTheUndeadPirate -> | Epic | *Thomas] we have discussed it and you will be banned for a week. when you return if a single animal dies due to entity cramming your next ban will be longer
[18:32:44] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [| Moderator | *AmrouTheUndeadPirate -> | Epic | *Thomas] am i understood?
[18:33:36] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Amrou_Kithkin tempbanned Thomas5200 for 7 days for 'Afking at a spawner is NOT allowed (spider spawner)'
Regarding the claim you barely let any cows die to entity cramming, and you didn't gain advantages from it: I would be very, very glad to post logs in here of 2,000 cows being killed by entity cramming. The post, however, would likely reach the character limit. So, instead, here goes a Pastebin with all logs. Regarding not gaining advantages from letting the spiders get crammed, the fact that the hoppers were full only goes to show how little care you were giving to it, and how you were, in fact, AFK. Also consider that the fact that drops weren't being collected doesn't mean you weren't getting levels, which could be then used to purchase claimblocks and repair/enchant items. By AFKing at the spider spawner, you were, indeed, gaining illicit advantages. Which brings me to the last point:
The rules applicable to the case fall under the "No AFK or lag machines" rule. I. AFKing at spawners is not allowed.II. By using your alt to activate a spawner while doing other stuff with your main account, you were effectively away-from-the-keyboard on the alt. III. By not answering to our calls when prompted, and not noticing having been kicked for a full two minutes while activating a spawner on your main account, you were effectively away-from-the-keyboard. IV. By refusing to comply to SEVERAL orders to not AFK at spawners, regardless of in which account, in THIS AND THE PREVIOUS MAP, you ALSO violated the rule that states that "Staff also has the discretion to decide whether or not a rule has been broken", disobeying a lawful order to comply.
For the aforementioned reasons, the ban will stay. The verbal warning given by Amrou in-game, too, will stay. The next time you fail to abide to these rules, another (harsher) punishment will be handled.
A note to the general community: As they currently stand, we believe the rules are clear enough. To even further explain the situations, however, the rules thread will be updated in the near future to explicitly state that: 1. Using alts to keep spawners, mob or plant farms active, while you play regularly on your main account, is not allowed. 2. AFKing at spawners is not allowed under any circumstances. 3. When suspected to be AFKing at spawners, the player must respond immediately to the moderator's message. I would be very, very glad to post logs in here of 2,000 cows being killed by entity cramming. The post, however, would likely reach the character limit. So, instead, here goes a Pastebin with all logs.
First, I would like to point out that I created my grinder so that it contains four chunks in order to allow up to 120 cows to build up without autokilling, but it seems to have malfunctioned. I did not intend for the cows to autokill, but it did not kill 2,000+ cows. Additionally, the logs show cow kills from over a week ago. Your logs show my first warning being from Ark 6 days, 11 hours, 24 minutes ago. (155.25 hours) If I remove all the cows that were auto killed before that time, (I hadn't been made aware of the issue) then the number drops drastically from 1990 cows (under the 2000+ aforementioned) to 476. This shows that the 2000+ cows cited in the ban are completely false, before and after doing the math. This shows that after the issue was brought to my attention, I did, in fact, make a conscious effort to reduce the amounts of cows killed by entity cramming. I reduced the number from 1514 cows in 52.42 hours down to 476 cows over 155.25 hours. This equals out to around 28.88 cows auto killed per hours down to 3.06 cows per hour. This is a big improvement, and I was close to completing a design in a creative world that would eliminate that problem altogether, but sadly I couldn't implement it on the spider grinder because the owner had been banned for x-ray, and I decided not to implement it on my cow grinder since my alt was no longer able to play. III. By not answering to our calls when prompted, and not noticing having been kicked for a full two minutes while activating a spawner on your main account, you were effectively away-from-the-keyboard. Additionally, when you stated I did not rejoin for two minutes, this was because I was trying to get my friends on discord so that I could discuss the situation with them. I saw myself get kicked within ~15-20 seconds, but chose not to rejoin right away, as not to rush into the situation. I was paying attention within a reasonable period of time. Additionally, if you had sent me a message on discord, I would've responded promptly since I would've been notified, therefore proving I was at my computer. 4. No afk or lag machines
- Please keep 30 entities or below per chunk. - This includes large mob farms and afk pools (Gold farms are not allowed) - Any automatic killing mechanisms aren't allowed - Any automatic redstone machines are also prohibited (i.e. fish farms, constant redstone clocks, etc) - Areas that are creating significant lag and are affecting FPS due to entities/redstone/mobs must be modified or completely removed so they do not affect other players
I do admit that the mobs at some times did end up reaching 30 or more entities, but this was simply because of a malfunctioning failsafe I had hoped would work. Additionally, as you stated above, I. AFKing at spawners is not allowed.
which is completely false. It does not say so in the rules, therefore you should not tell me it is a thing without going and changing the rules. (Editing the rules thread with new rule) It is unfair to make up rules since the only rule is against letting entities auto kill, not using an alt to grind, or being semi-afk. IV. By refusing to comply to SEVERAL orders to not AFK at spawners, regardless of in which account, in THIS AND THE PREVIOUS MAP, you ALSO violated the rule that states that "Staff also has the discretion to decide whether or not a rule has been broken", disobeying a lawful order to comply.
How can I be told I'm breaking a rule when there aren't any rules against what I was doing? There is no rule which disallows me from afking at a spawner, only one that bans a negative effect of it, which is preventable. It simply doesn't make sense for me to be told that I'm breaking a rule when I'm in no way breaking it. On a few of the warnings I was breaking a rule, but on the other ones I was breaking a "made up" rule. I caught you allowing the spiders to die via entity cramming mechanic on 10/16/2017. That breaks the rule "Any automatic killing mechanisms aren't allowed." You allowed spiders to die without any input from yourself. You have played long enough on this server and have heard it said in chat enough to know that the player must have direct input when killing mobs at a grinder. You did not have direct input to cause the spiders to die, therefore, you broke a rule and were banned, period. I would like to point out that every mod who responded to your 1st ban on afking at a grinder state you were allowing either the mobs to go higher than the allowed 40 and/or the mobs were dying due to the entity cram mechanic. Since you refuse to listen and follow the rules, you will have to deal with the consequences of your actions. The spiders did get above the limit, but my point is many of the warnings leading up to the ban were unjustified. Without those warnings I would not have been banned.
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Post by amrou on Oct 18, 2017 0:09:51 GMT
That first ban you got was a MAJOR warning Thomas and you ignored it. Every mod who posted on it said you were either breaking the 40 mob limit rule or allowing them to die via the entity cram mechanic. Both of those are not allowed here. You should only have to be warned once, not several times.
Here is your third warning, if you return on your alt or main account and continue to allow any mob at any grinder die via the entity cram mechanic you will be banned again.
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Post by Thomas5200 on Oct 18, 2017 0:23:59 GMT
That first ban you got was a MAJOR warning Thomas and you ignored it. Every mod who posted on it said you were either breaking the 40 mob limit rule or allowing them to die via the entity cram mechanic. Both of those are not allowed here. You should only have to be warned once, not several times. Here is your third warning, if you return on your alt or main account and continue to allow any mob at any grinder die via the entity cram mechanic you will be banned again. I'm not arguing that the entity cramming didn't happen, but I'm arguing that some of the warnings were for a made-up rule, which Knoot stated will be clarified/added to server rules at a later date. I'm arguing that had I not received these unjustified warnings, I would've not reached the ban stage, and wouldn't be banned currently. Additionally, there is a difference from my previous ban. Previously, I chose not to create the machinery to stop mobs from auto killing. This time I wasn't able to have the Redstone machinery in place to stop it. Before the reset, I had a grinder which I had made that guaranteed that animals wouldn't die of entity cramming. After my ban, I had decided to add this to my polar bear grinder, and it cycled the polar bears in between 4 chunks while they built up, and then I would turn it off and kill them. As I stated above, I have not had the chance to add the machine since the owner of the spider spawners was banned for a few days.
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