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Post by Ikith on Feb 13, 2017 15:13:38 GMT
The rule doesn't NEED definition, its straight forward, do not build within 100 blocks of a persons claim regardless of if they are using it or not, you are just upset because you all are having trouble following said rule for some reason even though you've had trouble with it before. I don't understand how thick of a skull you must have to not understand the very simple and very clear rule of DON'T BUILD WITHIN 100 BLOCKS OF SOMEONE. Its literally that simple! Even if his base is underground what if he wants to build something new in his underground base and have it claimed so it doesn't get griefed. If you guys have SUCH a problem and feel the need to cry and moan every time this comes up MOVE YOUR TOWN, use random warp, or find a place that's barren/has no claims at one of the warps and claim what you need and start moving. This seems like a constant problem with you folks, every time you break a rule its suddenly "unfair". Either grow up and deal with it, or move your town so you don't have to and then you all can spare everyone the whining. Edit: Also if you want claim expansion logging, go here: github.com/TechFortress/GriefPreventionIn fact here I've made the suggestion for you, here's the link to it: github.com/TechFortress/GriefPrevention/issues/84Edit2: Looks like my suggestion is set to be put in on Milestone 20 meaning it is coming soon and depending on when it comes out and when schaum updates the plugin to that version, mods WILL then be able to check when the last expansion was. And open an "issue" and tag it suggestion.
Ikith out. I would prefer that you didn't tell us that we cry and moan every time something such as this occurs, and a I would like to also point out this is the only time it has occured, and please don't tell us to relocate our town, as if you were ever there, you might understand why that is a completely inconcievable task at best. As for why our town is close to spawn, we started building in June of 2016, after using random warp to find a suitable area. At the time, we were surrounded by dense forest and didn't have elytras to fly around. When we began building, Cathal's claims were quite far away, and we ha dno knowledge of them. As well as that, we also started building when a few thousand blocks from spawn wasn't as crowded as it is now. And we have ready grown up and dealt with it, or at least I thought we had when I logged off at night on the 11th. Well, things there didn't go as planned... You see you are crying and moaning though, thing is, if you weren't and you had grown up and dealt with it, the wall would have been moved the correct distance the first time instead of saying "We moved it back 30-40 blocks but that just wasn't enough" yeah it wasn't because it still infringed on the 100 block rule! I swear this has been an issue with you guys more than once, I just don't have time time to look through cathal's yours and whoever elses post to find when and link the thread, I don't waste that kinda time on an every day joe shmoe. Furthermore anyone building a town should really have investigated further out than usual when looking at the surrounding land for claims that MAY eventually interfere, especially with a town that can grow to the size of what yours has! This whole ordeal with cathals claims, seems to be chalked up to poor planning on the founders part and that's simply it, now you all either have to live with it and follow the 100 block rule, or move. It's really that simple, and as I stated above, I really REALLY don't understand how hard it is to get that through you and your towns head, its a rule, its been there since I joined the server, it's been there since the last reset, it's been there since you started building your town! There are no excuses for this thread in all honesty, follow it, move, or put on your big boy pants deal with the fact that cathal's claim is there and it's not going away, simple!
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Post by <3NobleTreason<3 on Feb 13, 2017 15:34:52 GMT
Plugging it in here. If we had fluid warp dynamics they could have built it ten thousand blocks away and been fine. But nah we can only have 30 over crowded garbage warps...
#nowarpsnoserver
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Post by Muchorchar on Feb 13, 2017 16:02:48 GMT
OMG IM SOOOOO SICK OF THIS WHY DIDNT YOU MAKE THE CAPITAL IN A FAR OFF PLACE LIKE I DID IN MY TOWN IN THAT WAY YOU COULD EXPAND ALL YOU WANT WITHOUT BEING CONSTATLY WARNED BY MODS GEESH (sry if i offended anyone but i had to say it) If you look at my last post in this thread, you will know that the Capital was started in JUNE; before we knew of Cathal's claims and also, we have not constantly had warnings from moderators. We used random warp to find a place to build; at the time, we were unaware of its close proximity to spawn. Well but there are coords in game right??? so it would be easy to tell since you were like 5 (dont know how many they were when you started)
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Post by lisardcrew on Feb 13, 2017 18:16:27 GMT
racecartacocat I really appreciate the maturity you've shown in your posts when it comes to this issue. The following isn't to you or some other Capital members who haven't been publicly involved. I'm really not involved in this except through drama on the boards. There has been drama over this issue. I see it mostly from the Capital (public posts and in-game chat). Taking frustration and making it a public fight isn't a good idea. Once land is claimed, no player has the right to attack that claim unless the person hasn't logged on for 3 months. PERIOD. It doesn't matter if he never uses it. I have claims near a warp, some aren't built on at all. I have plans to use them. Should I be forced to give them up to someone else just because I haven't built on them for a few months? If it had not been said by a Capital player that they'd build a "wall of Cathal" walls (100 blocks from his claim) prob wouldn't be an issue. I understand your frustration feeling jerked around, but you need to follow what the rules say: Do not build within 100 blocks of a claim. IF this was a player instead of staff it would still be valid. I had to ask staff to move a claim close to one of mine, even though it wasn't visible from my house, and they did, RIGHT AWAY. The 100 block rule is for everyone, and saying it shouldn't apply to you because of (we're the biggist city, he doesn't use it, he's just being mean, he doesn't like us, etc) is asking for YOU to be exempt from the rules, not him. Cathal prob isn't innocent and I know he probably is jacking up the price and everything but that's his RIGHT because it's his CLAIM. Let's end this PLEASE from all sides. No more. This is hurting SS, not helping because hints that he's getting away with it because he is/was staff makes no sense to me. Let's just STOP.
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Post by Lite on Feb 13, 2017 20:07:01 GMT
Just because on the surface it looks untouched does not mean that underneath, the claim owner hasn't built something. Some players build massive underground bases which leaves the top looking untouched. They don't have to justify why they have the land or what they do with it, same as you don't have to justify why you built a city. Secondly, how you can say 100 blocks is the most undefined rule. Its only because some players don't say anything when someone else is near by. 100 Blocks means that. Not 30 or 40. In regards the Cathal... He's had that claim since the restart the server had back in April LAST YEAR!!! And as far as I know, Cathal And Snail have had a discussion about his claim and that is between them two. Finally you don't have a choice. If the rule is used and you don't move it, It will be moved, any resources will be lost and not returned and if needs be a punishment made. As you know, I was banned for glitching to see if anything was underground. As I told you, there was nothing. There you have it. Even Debate took our side!
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Post by Lite on Feb 13, 2017 20:09:12 GMT
racecartacocat I really appreciate the maturity you've shown in your posts when it comes to this issue. The following isn't to you or some other Capital members who haven't been publicly involved. I'm really not involved in this except through drama on the boards. There has been drama over this issue. I see it mostly from the Capital (public posts and in-game chat). Taking frustration and making it a public fight isn't a good idea. Once land is claimed, no player has the right to attack that claim unless the person hasn't logged on for 3 months. PERIOD. It doesn't matter if he never uses it. I have claims near a warp, some aren't built on at all. I have plans to use them. Should I be forced to give them up to someone else just because I haven't built on them for a few months? If it had not been said by a Capital player that they'd build a "wall of Cathal" walls (100 blocks from his claim) prob wouldn't be an issue. I understand your frustration feeling jerked around, but you need to follow what the rules say: Do not build within 100 blocks of a claim. IF this was a player instead of staff it would still be valid. I had to ask staff to move a claim close to one of mine, even though it wasn't visible from my house, and they did, RIGHT AWAY. The 100 block rule is for everyone, and saying it shouldn't apply to you because of (we're the biggist city, he doesn't use it, he's just being mean, he doesn't like us, etc) is asking for YOU to be exempt from the rules, not him. Cathal prob isn't innocent and I know he probably is jacking up the price and everything but that's his RIGHT because it's his CLAIM. Let's end this PLEASE from all sides. No more. This is hurting SS, not helping because hints that he's getting away with it because he is/was staff makes no sense to me. Let's just STOP. Also, it would be great to hear an explanation of the reasonings behind the 100 block rule.
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Post by Ikith on Feb 13, 2017 20:11:15 GMT
Just because on the surface it looks untouched does not mean that underneath, the claim owner hasn't built something. Some players build massive underground bases which leaves the top looking untouched. They don't have to justify why they have the land or what they do with it, same as you don't have to justify why you built a city. Secondly, how you can say 100 blocks is the most undefined rule. Its only because some players don't say anything when someone else is near by. 100 Blocks means that. Not 30 or 40. In regards the Cathal... He's had that claim since the restart the server had back in April LAST YEAR!!! And as far as I know, Cathal And Snail have had a discussion about his claim and that is between them two. Finally you don't have a choice. If the rule is used and you don't move it, It will be moved, any resources will be lost and not returned and if needs be a punishment made. As you know, I was banned for glitching to see if anything was underground. As I told you, there was nothing. There you have it. Even Debate took our side! Why does it matter what's there? It's his claim that was present before the capitals claim, if he has plans to use it, cool, if not cool, either way it still belongs to him, and the rule still applies. Stop trying to call "oh its unfair cause he's not using it" it... doesn't... matter...
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Post by Ikith on Feb 13, 2017 20:13:37 GMT
racecartacocat I really appreciate the maturity you've shown in your posts when it comes to this issue. The following isn't to you or some other Capital members who haven't been publicly involved. I'm really not involved in this except through drama on the boards. There has been drama over this issue. I see it mostly from the Capital (public posts and in-game chat). Taking frustration and making it a public fight isn't a good idea. Once land is claimed, no player has the right to attack that claim unless the person hasn't logged on for 3 months. PERIOD. It doesn't matter if he never uses it. I have claims near a warp, some aren't built on at all. I have plans to use them. Should I be forced to give them up to someone else just because I haven't built on them for a few months? If it had not been said by a Capital player that they'd build a "wall of Cathal" walls (100 blocks from his claim) prob wouldn't be an issue. I understand your frustration feeling jerked around, but you need to follow what the rules say: Do not build within 100 blocks of a claim. IF this was a player instead of staff it would still be valid. I had to ask staff to move a claim close to one of mine, even though it wasn't visible from my house, and they did, RIGHT AWAY. The 100 block rule is for everyone, and saying it shouldn't apply to you because of (we're the biggist city, he doesn't use it, he's just being mean, he doesn't like us, etc) is asking for YOU to be exempt from the rules, not him. Cathal prob isn't innocent and I know he probably is jacking up the price and everything but that's his RIGHT because it's his CLAIM. Let's end this PLEASE from all sides. No more. This is hurting SS, not helping because hints that he's getting away with it because he is/was staff makes no sense to me. Let's just STOP. Also, it would be great to hear an explanation of the reasonings behind the 100 block rule. Why do you always seem to need explanation for a rule? It's a rule, it was put in by schaum it's been there forever, and it hasn't mattered that it has existed up until now, when you guys get called out for breaking it.
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Post by racecartacocat on Feb 13, 2017 20:31:57 GMT
I would prefer that you didn't tell us that we cry and moan every time something such as this occurs, and a I would like to also point out this is the only time it has occured, and please don't tell us to relocate our town, as if you were ever there, you might understand why that is a completely inconcievable task at best. As for why our town is close to spawn, we started building in June of 2016, after using random warp to find a suitable area. At the time, we were surrounded by dense forest and didn't have elytras to fly around. When we began building, Cathal's claims were quite far away, and we ha dno knowledge of them. As well as that, we also started building when a few thousand blocks from spawn wasn't as crowded as it is now. And we have ready grown up and dealt with it, or at least I thought we had when I logged off at night on the 11th. Well, things there didn't go as planned... You see you are crying and moaning though, thing is, if you weren't and you had grown up and dealt with it, the wall would have been moved the correct distance the first time instead of saying "We moved it back 30-40 blocks but that just wasn't enough" yeah it wasn't because it still infringed on the 100 block rule! I swear this has been an issue with you guys more than once, I just don't have time time to look through cathal's yours and whoever elses post to find when and link the thread, I don't waste that kinda time on an every day joe shmoe. Furthermore anyone building a town should really have investigated further out than usual when looking at the surrounding land for claims that MAY eventually interfere, especially with a town that can grow to the size of what yours has! This whole ordeal with cathals claims, seems to be chalked up to poor planning on the founders part and that's simply it, now you all either have to live with it and follow the 100 block rule, or move. It's really that simple, and as I stated above, I really REALLY don't understand how hard it is to get that through you and your towns head, its a rule, its been there since I joined the server, it's been there since the last reset, it's been there since you started building your town! There are no excuses for this thread in all honesty, follow it, move, or put on your big boy pants deal with the fact that cathal's claim is there and it's not going away, simple! Ikith, please look at other posts I have made on this matter; you will notice that I have stated SEVERAL times that I am not the causr for the unwillingness of certain players to move the wall. Besides, we are moving it... Please direct your complaints towards the people that are more to blame. And we have grown up and dealt with it already, thought I am not sure if we were on the end that needs growing up.
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Post by racecartacocat on Feb 13, 2017 20:36:52 GMT
If you look at my last post in this thread, you will know that the Capital was started in JUNE; before we knew of Cathal's claims and also, we have not constantly had warnings from moderators. We used random warp to find a place to build; at the time, we were unaware of its close proximity to spawn. Well but there are coords in game right??? so it would be easy to tell since you were like 5 (dont know how many they were when you started) We had never had experience in creating and managing towns on mc previously. As well as this, as I explained previously, we considered it a lot further of a distance than we would now. And, after gaining the knowledge of how close to spawn it was, we thought this was for the best as for non-voters they could get there faster, and we didn't have a nether portal at the time either...
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Post by racecartacocat on Feb 13, 2017 20:38:35 GMT
Moderators, requesting a thread lock, this thread is just a breeding ground for drama and toxiticy.
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Post by Dr_Positive on Feb 13, 2017 20:39:17 GMT
It doesn't matter if a claim is built on or not, a player still has the right to enforce the 100 block rule no matter what. A player might have claimed it for a multitude of reasons or no reason at all it doesn't affect the distance rule either way.
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Post by racecartacocat on Feb 13, 2017 20:41:28 GMT
It doesn't matter if a claim is built on or not, a player still has the right to enforce the 100 block rule no matter what A player might have claimed it for a multitude of reasons or no reason at all it doesn't affect the distance rule either way. I agree with you on this, don't know why this thread was made other than to continue arguments, please lock.
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Post by Kydog on Feb 13, 2017 20:45:32 GMT
Several things I want to say before this is locked: 1. This rule is defined perfectly clearly. No further explanation. 2. I like the race has taken a mature side on this. Others... not so much. 3. Constantly picking fights is chat and on the forums makes your city look bad. I will likely renounce my citizenship shortly so I have no responsibility in this mess.
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Post by Dr_Positive on Feb 13, 2017 20:47:50 GMT
Being as the rule will not be changed this thread will be locked.
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