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Post by finfan38 on Oct 25, 2017 0:30:57 GMT
Full In-Game Name: FINFAN38
Ban Reason: Reached four warnings. (Also x-ray)
Person Who Banned You: Kyle
Length of Ban: 7 Days
Appeal:
I am appealing my ban because there are two issues with it.
First off, I was banned for swearing in the server discord.; I would be fine if I was banned from the discord, but that translating into an in-game warning which led to my ban simply doesn't make sense. This happened on a completely different platform, and I swore because people were screaming in voice chat. There are no rules which state that being inappropriate on discord will translate to an in-game punishment. As far as I can see, this can only lead to a ban from the discord. This is unfair treatment, and while my behavior was inappropriate, it shouldn't have been bannable.
Secondly, I did not x-ray. I do not have any texture packs or mods and I do not know how to download them. I understand that Kyle may claim I admitted to it, but this is solely because I felt pressured in the situation since I was doing some real life stuff and was very busy. The tunnels that I was shown as supposed proof do not prove anything, as I simply found diamonds after mining redstone, iron, etc. or while mining my tunnel. If this ban is to stand, I demand to see proof that will prove beyond a reasonable doubt that I did it.
Since there are no rules or evidence that will prove my ban is legal, I strongly believe I should be unbanned, and receive an apology for the time I've already served.
-Drew
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Post by Shadow on Oct 25, 2017 1:23:48 GMT
Hi!
I'd like to clarify the first bit of your appeal, as I was not the mod to inspect your tunnels or ban you for x-ray.
[20:16:57] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] History for FINFAN38 (Limit: 10):
[20:16:57] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] -- [4 hours, 43 minutes ago] --
[20:16:57] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] FINFAN38 was banned by KyletheUnicorn: 'x-ray is not allowed. Please remove any x-ray packs before returning. (1st strike)' [Active]
[20:16:57] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] Expires in 6 days, 19 hours, 16 minutes.
[20:16:57] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] -- [13 days, 23 hours, 1 minute ago] --
[20:16:57] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] FINFAN38 was warned by CloverPetal: 'refusal to leave another player's claim again' [Active]
[20:16:57] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] Expires in 58 minutes.
[20:16:57] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] -- [13 days, 23 hours, 4 minutes ago] --
[20:16:57] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] FINFAN38 was warned by CloverPetal: 'refusal to leave another player's claim' [Active]
[20:16:57] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] Expires in 55 minutes.
[20:16:57] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] -- [13 days, 23 hours, 5 minutes ago] --
[20:16:57] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] FINFAN38 was kicked by CloverPetal: 'you were asked to leave the shop yet keep going back'
[20:16:57] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] -- [16 days, 20 hours, 24 minutes ago] --
[20:16:57] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] FINFAN38 was banned by CloverPetal: 'Reached 4 warnings:
[20:16:57] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] - Warned by Shadow_exe: 'Inappropriate.'
[20:16:57] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] - Warned by CloverPetal: 'lets keep that out of public chat'
[20:16:57] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] - Warned by CloverPetal: 'please remember to replant the public farms (chorus plant)'
This is your history up to your only 4-warning ban. You'll see that you were not warned in-game for your behavior on Discord. I checked Discord and you were only verbally warned there. So the part about being banned for Discord is simply not true, nor is it relevant to what you're actually banned for currently.
I don't know if that was just a misunderstanding but just figured I'd pop in to clear that up, as I can confirm that.
I'll allow Kyle to provide his own evidence and such regarding the x-ray ban.
Thank you for your understanding.
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Post by Knootmare on Oct 25, 2017 1:32:49 GMT
FINFAN, I will not comment on the warnings issue as I wasn't involved in them. Here, however, is proof of x-ray use: Exhibit 1: Exhibit 2: Exhibit 3:
Due to the evidence presented, the 7-day ban for x-ray shall stay. As for the warnings, please stand-by until a moderator that knows more about the issue can comment on it. Thanks for understanding, @kn.
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Post by poogan on Oct 25, 2017 1:40:18 GMT
Don't like to comment on ban appeals as they are not usually involving me. But I talk to Finfan on a daily basis using discord. Whenever we are on this server it is on our own private discord.
He is usually always near me or playing next to me and I know for a fact he does not have any sort of hacks, mods or resource packs to minupulate or exploit the game in anyway to find the diamonds. He has on several occasions and we can say this for all have gotten lucky when branching off and find a lucky vein of diamonds.
His methods of mining are random warping digging straight down to y:11 and starting from there. He occasionally will branch off and see what happens. I remember clearly on several account him freaking out and getting excited when finding diamonds. I honestly think your looking too much into this.
This isn't just because he's my friend but I know him and he usually is a honest person. If he was to use X-ray or any other thing and have lied to me that would be a low blow. But I highly doubt that is tue and I believe and hope you give him another chance on the server.
Thanks ~Poogan
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Post by Thomas5200 on Oct 25, 2017 1:49:36 GMT
I would like to point out that it is a common strategy isto mine a few blocks in each direction from ores you find around diamond level. I do it, and I have found diamonds a few blocks from redstone ore, iron ore, etc. on many occasions. Additionally, sometimes I randomly branch off from my tunnel hoping I may get lucky, and sometimes I do Additionally, mining around a lava lake is a very common practice which often yields diamonds. Please don't remove this post, because Drew is one of the people basing with me, and I talk to him regularly on discord. He is not the type of person to do something like this, and the evidence shown is not consistent with most x-rayers. Many x-rayers create a single tunnel, not a strip-mine, where they randomly branch off. Additionally, Drew will be posting conclusive evidence that will prove exhibit two is false.Edit:Since Drew is technologically challenged I am posting the proof here: Click for ProofIf you look, you can see that the diamond ore is clearly visible behind the lava due to his resource pack. This effectively rules out Exhibit 2, and Exhibit 3 could easily been him just using the common strategy of digging around redstone ore to check for diamonds. This leaves exhibit 1, which isn't conclusive evidence. It could've easily been him just mining randomly like he usually does. Knootmare
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Post by Knootmare on Oct 25, 2017 2:57:28 GMT
If that's Finfan's actual texture pack, I'll agree that exhibit 2 can be dismissed as proof.
Upon further discussing the matters with the rest of the moderating team, however, we have concluded that the remaining evidence, which isn't limited to the exhibits above, still seems to indicate the use of a hacked client/texture pack.
I'm led to believe all evidence I could provide would be considered "inconclusive" by your standards. I'll leave the thread up if Fin or any of you would like to add onto the discussion, but please limit it to constructive comments. Being subjectively based, Poogan's does not add to the discussion, but I'll leave it there without a warn, this one time.
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Post by poogan on Oct 25, 2017 3:28:22 GMT
If that's Finfan's actual texture pack, I'll agree that exhibit 2 can be dismissed as proof. Upon further discussing the matters with the rest of the moderating team, however, we have concluded that the remaining evidence, which isn't limited to the exhibits above, still seems to indicate the use of a hacked client/texture pack. I'm led to believe all evidence I could provide would be considered "inconclusive" by your standards. I'll leave the thread up if Fin or any of you would like to add onto the discussion, but please limit it to constructive comments. Being subjectively based, Poogan's does not add to the discussion, but I'll leave it there without a warn, this one time. [b I gave you reasons why it isn't true and how he and several others mine. I told you I know for a fact he doesn't use any methods that warrant a rule break/ban. I'm done here for now but We wouldn't be making such a fuss if he was actually using X-ray or any other method of finding ores/items. This just blew up into 1 huge misunderstanding and hopefully clears up by tomorrow.
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Post by enmos on Oct 25, 2017 6:02:06 GMT
If Finfan didnt use xray i sincerely hope he will be vindicated as i know what its like to be falsely banned for xray. However, i do think it isnt looking good for him. I was banned on much much flimsier evidence than this.
Finfan, regardless of wether or not youll get unbanned, when you get back, for your own sake, pls stop mining in a random fashion. It doesnt increase your chances of finding dias, it can only get you falsely banned. Just dig straight tunnels. If you happen on dias in situations that might look suspicious id advise you to call a mod to your location and explain what happened.
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Post by Thomas5200 on Oct 25, 2017 20:06:02 GMT
If that's Finfan's actual texture pack, I'll agree that exhibit 2 can be dismissed as proof. Upon further discussing the matters with the rest of the moderating team, however, we have concluded that the remaining evidence, which isn't limited to the exhibits above, still seems to indicate the use of a hacked client/texture pack. I'm led to believe all evidence I could provide would be considered "inconclusive" by your standards. I'll leave the thread up if Fin or any of you would like to add onto the discussion, but please limit it to constructive comments. Being subjectively based, Poogan's does not add to the discussion, but I'll leave it there without a warn, this one time. First off, I will be helping FIN word replies to his appeal since he isn't effective at communicating his points. My posts here will mainly be reflective of his feelings, and a result of consulting with him. Secondly, since I am not able to talk to him at the moment I can't speak for him, but is it possible to see the other evidence that has been accumulated? Thanks for your time.
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Post by amrou on Oct 25, 2017 21:31:38 GMT
We don't allow players to post in ban appeals unless they have a direct connection to the situation at hand. From this point on you may assist FINFAN all you want but he must make the posts, not you Thomas. Get together with him over discord, he can then copy/paste stuff from there into the appeal.
This is to protect him in case you post something he did not want posted and it stays within the forum rules for ban appeals.
Further posts from those who are not FINFAN will be given a forum warning and posts will be removed.
1. Do not post in ban appeals that you have no direct involvement in. If you are not the victim, the banned player, or someone with hard evidence, then you are not involved. The staff should be the only ones commenting on a player's ban appeal unless the victim is replying or evidence is being provided. Screenshots of chat is acceptable if you think someone should/should not be unbanned.
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Post by finfan38 on Oct 26, 2017 22:13:35 GMT
I'm still waiting on my repsonse, please respond asap...
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Post by finfan38 on Oct 28, 2017 14:42:32 GMT
I've waited half my ban with barely any evidence of x ray. I have proof that I wasn't x raying. I've asked several times to get a response but I have not gotten a response for 2-3 days now. I deserve an apology.
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Post by KyletheUnicorn on Oct 28, 2017 22:05:30 GMT
I feel like, at this point, that if i reply i'm not replying to your ban appeal but to a ban appeal by Thomas. If you would post the proof you have that you did not x-ray yourself, i will reply.
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Post by finfan38 on Oct 30, 2017 19:14:17 GMT
I didn't x-ray, and I had Thomas provide the proof above because I am not good with uploading images. Also, the third "exhibit" of evidence is not proof. I just checked behind the redstone ore like many people do, and happened to find diamonds. If you check my tunnels you should be able to see this. This leaves one piece of evidence, which I don't think is enough to prove I x-rayed... Please give me more proof. Also, why are my tunnels from a month ago being investigated anyways? Please find some actual hackers, not me who didn't x-ray...
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