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Post by Kydog on Jan 3, 2017 2:40:20 GMT
I feel like if a regular player (non-capital citizen) wanted that claim, Cathal would give it to them for under a stack of diamonds.
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Post by Lite on Jan 3, 2017 2:42:07 GMT
I feel like if a regular player (non-capital citizen) wanted that claim, Cathal would give it to them for under a stack of diamonds. Undoubtedly.
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Post by Lite on Jan 3, 2017 2:49:00 GMT
Well... Technically he is being generous by not unclaiming the capital parts near his claim, since the agreement was to expand in the other direction This whole "100 block rule" is so plainly written. If he were to do this to us, then why can't we remove claims surrounding our city that were claimed after us? Valid point. Actually, I believe (am not certain) that it was Arkline who made one of numerous claims within 100 blocks of our city. Apologies if I am wrong. Still though, if the situation was put up for ethical debate, we would likely win as, Cathal barely uses the claim. At this rate I have lost all belief that Cathal holds any morals dear on this server... Then again, (before every moderator attacks me with some outlandish filibuster) that is just my opinion.
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Post by Chrissy on Jan 3, 2017 3:42:31 GMT
Ok, being a member of the Capital, I have a couple things that didn't get addressed in the meeting. Actually I feel like I was ignored. Maybe I didn't follow meeting protocol, but oh well.
1) building a wall around Cathal's claim can be, and probably is, considered to be griefing. I do not vote in favor of this.
2) why are we expanding in a direction that is causing controversy? Why do we need a "Presidential Palace" When there so many builds already in the city? Why does the current president need to have more than one home in the capital?
3) and last but not least, why are we spending money to buy a claim when the current owner doesn't want to give it up? IRL, this is what governments do to people who stand in the way of "progress". I do not like this, and I do not vote for this.
Cathal has always been one of the nicest mods (at least to me-i can't speak for the rest of you), and I don't like it that the Capital is bugging him about his claim.
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Post by Aka on Jan 3, 2017 4:44:48 GMT
This whole "100 block rule" is so plainly written. If he were to do this to us, then why can't we remove claims surrounding our city that were claimed after us? Valid point. Actually, I believe (am not certain) that it was Arkline who made one of numerous claims within 100 blocks of our city. Apologies if I am wrong. Still though, if the situation was put up for ethical debate, we would likely win as, Cathal barely uses the claim. At this rate I have lost all belief that Cathal holds any morals dear on this server... Then again, (before every moderator attacks me with some outlandish filibuster) that is just my opinion. Sorry, but this came off a bit passive-aggressive/rude. You're trying to act respectful through your speeches, but honestly, it just looks like you're bashing Cathal at this point. First, it's interesting how you even assumed that he doesn't hold "any morals dear on this server." As someone who doesn't even know him as a person, you speak very strong words despite it being just your opinion. Cathal is actually one of the very few moderators that I know truly cares about what he does and refuses to exploit his power. He's the oldest staff member on this server (besides Schaum) and has been continuously doing what is right during his time as a moderator. Also, don't say that we're attacking you for what you say. It's simply pointing out your wrongs and your harsh and false accusations. As a long-time friend, it's only a given that some of us may say something against what you've just said. By telling us to not attack you with "some outlandish filibuster", you sound almost self-righteous and rude, and that does not help your case whatsoever. To begin with, Cathal is not in the wrong with this whatsoever. He was here much longer than the Capitol, he has a right to do what he wishes with his claim, and that does not seem to be clicking with some people right now. Who knows? Maybe now he has some sort of plan with his claim. I mean, as of now, it's not as though his claim is left bare or anything. Cathal has a nice little sugar cane farm that has been set up about 2 weeks into the server start, and it's still used from time to time. I'm pretty much rambling at this point, but here's basically what I'm trying to say about this whole "feud": 1) Cathal is not entitled to give up his claim just because it looks like he barely uses it 2) Yes, your opinion, but also yes, your opinion is wrong (this is not an attack) 3) Basically, #cathalisinnocent
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Post by amrou on Jan 3, 2017 4:50:58 GMT
I have a question, is this near a warp at all? Because to me it looks as if you guys broke the 100 block rule by building near his claim. You did admit Cathal was there long before you guys were. Just sayin.
LightFell you stated:
Still though, if the situation was put up for ethical debate, we would likely win as, Cathal barely uses the claim. At this rate I have lost all belief that Cathal holds any morals dear on this server... Then again, (before every moderator attacks me with some outlandish filibuster) that is just my opinion.
Definition of ethical:
1 : the discipline dealing with what is good and bad and with moral duty and obligation
2 a : a set of moral principles : a theory or system of moral values : the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group : a guiding philosophy d : a consciousness of moral importance
3 plural : a set of moral issues or aspects (as rightness)
None of these definitions would fit for your use of the word, I think. As morals and principles are kind of like a set of rules you follow that are not rules out in the real world, but instead things you live by and do. In a word , honor. Cathal was there long before you. How much the claim is used is not a factor, period. There is a 100 block rule that has been a rule since I began playing here, a few months before we reset the server to 1.9. Therefore, the legal outcome would be, if Cathal chose to enforce it, is that the capital would be moving all claims near Cathals 100 blocks away.
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Post by inflnity on Jan 3, 2017 6:20:53 GMT
I have a question, is this near a warp at all? Because to me it looks as if you guys broke the 100 block rule by building near his claim. You did admit Cathal was there long before you guys were. Just sayin. LightFell you stated: Still though, if the situation was put up for ethical debate, we would likely win as, Cathal barely uses the claim. At this rate I have lost all belief that Cathal holds any morals dear on this server... Then again, (before every moderator attacks me with some outlandish filibuster) that is just my opinion. Definition of ethical: 1 : the discipline dealing with what is good and bad and with moral duty and obligation 2 a : a set of moral principles : a theory or system of moral values : the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group : a guiding philosophy d : a consciousness of moral importance 3 plural : a set of moral issues or aspects (as rightness) None of these definitions would fit for your use of the word, I think. As morals and principles are kind of like a set of rules you follow that are not rules out in the real world, but instead things you live by and do. In a word , honor. Cathal was there long before you. How much the claim is used is not a factor, period. There is a 100 block rule that has been a rule since I began playing here, a few months before we reset the server to 1.9. Therefore, the legal outcome would be, if Cathal chose to enforce it, is that the capital would be moving all claims near Cathals 100 blocks away. Ok this started out as a joke for laughs and giggles and turned into a hunt for a word in the dictionary. I'll admit we have annoyed Cathal very badly about this claim and I will FINALLY stop messaging him. I encourage others to stop as well. I spoke to him today. The price is 15 stacks of DB. No higher. No lower. We aren't actually going to build a wall around the claim although a nice and worthy "Wall of Cathal" would be a fun project . But again, this would break the 100 block rule even though we have already broken it ( his claim is engulfed in the city) . I have made a valid point about others claiming around the city and us being told we are not allowed to take over the claim even though it follows the 100 block rule guidelines. Cathal explained that some mods may have it wrong and I appreciate that so much. Now speaking of the claim, I saw something very fishy today. The land is flattened. I saw 5 different name tags. Knight, Roy, Lefik, Ark, and Nut were all under the claim. There are 2 beacons up as well. Something is being built and I am not sure what it is? Anyways, I tore down the nasty cobble wall that someone had put up around the land and I look forward to seeing where this all goes.
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Post by Muchorchar on Jan 3, 2017 13:19:25 GMT
OMG guys cathal will not sell his claim just because some started a town near it só stop being childish and delete this ridiculous thread. You should have know the rules when you started on the server ( theres a reason for having those books and if those books dont say that the forum probably does).
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Post by Lite on Jan 4, 2017 0:57:40 GMT
Valid point. Actually, I believe (am not certain) that it was Arkline who made one of numerous claims within 100 blocks of our city. Apologies if I am wrong. Still though, if the situation was put up for ethical debate, we would likely win as, Cathal barely uses the claim. At this rate I have lost all belief that Cathal holds any morals dear on this server... Then again, (before every moderator attacks me with some outlandish filibuster) that is just my opinion. Sorry, but this came off a bit passive-aggressive/rude. You're trying to act respectful through your speeches, but honestly, it just looks like you're bashing Cathal at this point. First, it's interesting how you even assumed that he doesn't hold "any morals dear on this server." As someone who doesn't even know him as a person, you speak very strong words despite it being just your opinion. Cathal is actually one of the very few moderators that I know truly cares about what he does and refuses to exploit his power. He's the oldest staff member on this server (besides Schaum) and has been continuously doing what is right during his time as a moderator. Also, don't say that we're attacking you for what you say. It's simply pointing out your wrongs and your harsh and false accusations. As a long-time friend, it's only a given that some of us may say something against what you've just said. By telling us to not attack you with "some outlandish filibuster", you sound almost self-righteous and rude, and that does not help your case whatsoever. To begin with, Cathal is not in the wrong with this whatsoever. He was here much longer than the Capitol, he has a right to do what he wishes with his claim, and that does not seem to be clicking with some people right now. Who knows? Maybe now he has some sort of plan with his claim. I mean, as of now, it's not as though his claim is left bare or anything. Cathal has a nice little sugar cane farm that has been set up about 2 weeks into the server start, and it's still used from time to time. I'm pretty much rambling at this point, but here's basically what I'm trying to say about this whole "feud": 1) Cathal is not entitled to give up his claim just because it looks like he barely uses it 2) Yes, your opinion, but also yes, your opinion is wrong (this is not an attack) 3) Basically, #cathalisinnocent Saying the word filibuster causes a moderator to post a filibuster! Also, I wrote this post in protest to the price of 15 stacks of db. I never said he was 'entitled' to give up his claim. I couldn't care less that he is the oldest player on the server. All I know him for is high prices and stubborn standings. Thank you.
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Post by Aka on Jan 4, 2017 1:10:25 GMT
Sorry, but this came off a bit passive-aggressive/rude. You're trying to act respectful through your speeches, but honestly, it just looks like you're bashing Cathal at this point. First, it's interesting how you even assumed that he doesn't hold "any morals dear on this server." As someone who doesn't even know him as a person, you speak very strong words despite it being just your opinion. Cathal is actually one of the very few moderators that I know truly cares about what he does and refuses to exploit his power. He's the oldest staff member on this server (besides Schaum) and has been continuously doing what is right during his time as a moderator. Also, don't say that we're attacking you for what you say. It's simply pointing out your wrongs and your harsh and false accusations. As a long-time friend, it's only a given that some of us may say something against what you've just said. By telling us to not attack you with "some outlandish filibuster", you sound almost self-righteous and rude, and that does not help your case whatsoever. To begin with, Cathal is not in the wrong with this whatsoever. He was here much longer than the Capitol, he has a right to do what he wishes with his claim, and that does not seem to be clicking with some people right now. Who knows? Maybe now he has some sort of plan with his claim. I mean, as of now, it's not as though his claim is left bare or anything. Cathal has a nice little sugar cane farm that has been set up about 2 weeks into the server start, and it's still used from time to time. I'm pretty much rambling at this point, but here's basically what I'm trying to say about this whole "feud": 1) Cathal is not entitled to give up his claim just because it looks like he barely uses it 2) Yes, your opinion, but also yes, your opinion is wrong (this is not an attack) 3) Basically, #cathalisinnocent Saying the word filibuster causes a moderator to post a filibuster! Also, I wrote this post in protest to the price of 15 stacks of db. I never said he was 'entitled' to give up his claim. I couldn't care less that he is the oldest player on the server. All I know him for is high prices and stubborn standings. Thank you. Maybe the reason why he set it so high was because he didn't want to sell it in the first place? Knowing Cathal, he isn't one to be greedy over something ridiculous like diamonds. Who knows, maybe he has another plan in mind.
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Post by inflnity on Jan 4, 2017 1:49:45 GMT
Saying the word filibuster causes a moderator to post a filibuster! Also, I wrote this post in protest to the price of 15 stacks of db. I never said he was 'entitled' to give up his claim. I couldn't care less that he is the oldest player on the server. All I know him for is high prices and stubborn standings. Thank you. Maybe the reason why he set it so high was because he didn't want to sell it in the first place? Knowing Cathal, he isn't one to be greedy over something ridiculous like diamonds. Who knows, maybe he has another plan in mind. A spawner, a slime grinder, and more. The whole area is cleared. We saw it.
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Post by Lite on Jan 4, 2017 1:51:10 GMT
Saying the word filibuster causes a moderator to post a filibuster! Also, I wrote this post in protest to the price of 15 stacks of db. I never said he was 'entitled' to give up his claim. I couldn't care less that he is the oldest player on the server. All I know him for is high prices and stubborn standings. Thank you. Maybe the reason why he set it so high was because he didn't want to sell it in the first place? Knowing Cathal, he isn't one to be greedy over something ridiculous like diamonds. Who knows, maybe he has another plan in mind. He surely does... imgur.com/a/DqcPb
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Post by Kydog on Jan 4, 2017 12:41:49 GMT
I truly think that this ridiculous debate has brought out the worst in the parties involved. First, the capital relentlessly pestered Cathal about a claim he didn't want to give up. Then, as revenge, Cathal decided to develop the claim, likely so he can charge even more than the ridiculous price he has set. After that, several people started attacking carhal and griefing around his claim. Currently, even as a member of the capital, I'm disappointed in all parties involved. Safe survival is better than this.
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Post by cathal on Jan 4, 2017 14:03:59 GMT
I truly think that this ridiculous debate has brought out the worst in the parties involved. First, the capital relentlessly pestered Cathal about a claim he didn't want to give up. Then, as revenge, Cathal decided to develop the claim, likely so he can charge even more than the ridiculous price he has set. After that, several people started attacking carhal and griefing around his claim. Currently, even as a member of the capital, I'm disappointed in all parties involved. Safe survival is better than this. Just to point out, I'm not that petty. I don't have a need for diamonds, and I have no intentions of rising the price. I wanted to give the claim up for free, but the constant hassling led to the price being set in stone. It's really not brought out the worst in anybody either. Nobody is freaking out too much about it. It is just a bit of land in a game after all. With saying that, it's still mine and I'm free to do what I want with it.
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Post by banditmandit on Jan 4, 2017 16:02:04 GMT
I really hope this claim thing is solved soon. It's causing a large amount of arguing and hate which is overall bad for the server.
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