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Post by debatesmith on Nov 13, 2016 18:52:12 GMT
Hello, I have been on three servers that i stuck with for a few months to years. All servers were survival, all had staff on periodically. Mods, no matter which server it was, were always the rule enforcer, nothing more and nothing less. They weren't really worried about improving the server. I dont know, i feel like mods are hired for rule enforcers specifically and maybe, just maybe ideas. The people who improve the server are the owner and admin. I think trying to hold them to higher ideals is a bit unfair. Unless they are trying to be different from other servers and go the extra miles. Just my opinion. Ive only been here fore two/three weeks. I like how there is always atleast one mod on. I don't see why we can't be different from the other servers. In the set-up we have the only people that are able to reliably create events are the mod team. In the past couple days it has been wonderful to see a few of the mods use my pvp arena for a red v blue style pvp. That was great to see. EDIT: Also still wondering on where we are going for new staff? Any updates on whether or not the community is going to be involved?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 21:32:46 GMT
Hello, I have been on three servers that i stuck with for a few months to years. All servers were survival, all had staff on periodically. Mods, no matter which server it was, were always the rule enforcer, nothing more and nothing less. They weren't really worried about improving the server. I dont know, i feel like mods are hired for rule enforcers specifically and maybe, just maybe ideas. The people who improve the server are the owner and admin. I think trying to hold them to higher ideals is a bit unfair. Unless they are trying to be different from other servers and go the extra miles. Just my opinion. Ive only been here fore two/three weeks. I like how there is always atleast one mod on. I agree to a certain degree but as others have said that just leaves Vex... and maybe the odd drop party from Schaum that only caters to Americans. There are staff members who are quite happy and want to help more than just enforcing the rules. And they do, its just a greater struggle for them to do so. I'd say if someone trusted wants to help, let them. But yeah I'm fine with Mods just wanting to be rule enforcers, thats what they're chosen to do. It would be nice to see more staff with different roles though. Not just enforcing rules but once they're recruited and have passed Assistant Mod theres no where else to go from there. I doubt very much we will see more admins, Vex was only promoted because Schaum was taking weeks off at a time. My guess would be it was to keep staff happy. I very much doubt Schaum wanted to have an Admin.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 18:39:34 GMT
Should rename this the no communication thread now.
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Post by debatesmith on Nov 20, 2016 18:42:44 GMT
lol like I said last page, communication isn't coming. They ignore the forums.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 18:46:00 GMT
Neither is anything else by the looks of it d:
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Post by debatesmith on Nov 20, 2016 18:51:36 GMT
Meh, you and I both know it takes at least a month for anything to be decided on in that skype group. New staff being nominated by the community, the whole "resetting the end" discussion and 1.11 update coming, they are probably in full lockdown lol
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 19:04:48 GMT
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Post by debatesmith on Nov 20, 2016 19:28:46 GMT
Yeah im not sure what else they would need. You have a centralized area where people expressed their honest opinions on the server, as well as the owner posting a feedback survey. Nothing anybody has said has been taken into account and nothing has been done. A large failure and I would go as far as to say evidence that the current staff team don't care about improving the server. #StaffWipe should be done and the community should get to nominate their next staff team. This current staff team has failed.
EDIT: The butt mods should get to stay, as it wouldnt be fair to demote them.
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Post by <3NobleTreason<3 on Nov 20, 2016 19:38:32 GMT
Since I have joined the server, I have read thousands upon thousands of posts and complaints on how to alleviate issues withon the server such as the player to mod interaction. Of course not all of them have substance or quality, but those that do are lumped in with those that don't. Not to qualify this particular forum, but we have been trying to communicate with the staff for a long time now, and it has always been futile. What is one forum to do that the other thousands have tried to and failed. If you truly feel like you need our input, just go back and read the forums.
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Post by lisardcrew on Nov 20, 2016 19:40:47 GMT
Yeah im not sure what else they would need. You have a centralized area where people expressed their honest opinions on the server, as well as the owner posting a feedback survey. Nothing anybody has said has been taken into account and nothing has been done. A large failure and I would go as far as to say evidence that the current staff team don't care about improving the server. #StaffWipe should be done and the community should get to nominate their next staff team. This current staff team has failed. EDIT: The butt mods should get to stay, as it wouldnt be fair to demote them. What (or who) are butt mods?? Lol.
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Post by debatesmith on Nov 20, 2016 19:43:26 GMT
Yeah im not sure what else they would need. You have a centralized area where people expressed their honest opinions on the server, as well as the owner posting a feedback survey. Nothing anybody has said has been taken into account and nothing has been done. A large failure and I would go as far as to say evidence that the current staff team don't care about improving the server. #StaffWipe should be done and the community should get to nominate their next staff team. This current staff team has failed. EDIT: The butt mods should get to stay, as it wouldnt be fair to demote them. What (or who) are butt mods?? Lol. Oh sorry lol the assistant mods, kyle, iliy and fab. They are called butt mods lol
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Post by Aka on Nov 20, 2016 23:45:28 GMT
Hi! I can't respond to everything since quite a bit of it is beyond me and my knowledge, but I'll try my best (this is just from my view though, no one else). For The End reset, I read Schaum's original post and saw that it would only reset if there was a 2/3 vote, which did not happen. From that, I'm ASSUMING we won't reset.
The warning system has been terribly delayed and I can't apologize enough for it. Expect a new system to be shown to you all by this week!
The system for players being able to have a say in new mods is still being discussed, but I personally think it'd be neat if we had it to where candidates can be brought out in one of these two ways: 1) They can be backed by 6 staff members with a clear reasoning of why they would be a good mod (reason given by original person who suggested it) 2) A player can suggest a mod as long as if it's supported by 2 other current mods and x amount of others in our current player base (must be a Vet+, no alts).
As for the staff wipe, I'd be fine with something like what Debate suggested. However, it should apply to all, including assistant moderators.
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Post by debatesmith on Nov 21, 2016 19:21:16 GMT
The warning system has been terribly delayed and I can't apologize enough for it. Expect a new system to be shown to you all by this week! My main question for this is what makes this system different? There has been 2 new systems announced/talked about in the past month and neither of those seemed to gain any traction? Either from nobody knowing about it, or the mod team being split on which one to follow. The system for players being able to have a say in new mods is still being discussed, but I personally think it'd be neat if we had it to where candidates can be brought out in one of these two ways: 1) They can be backed by 6 staff members with a clear reasoning of why they would be a good mod (reason given by original person who suggested it) 2) A player can suggest a mod as long as if it's supported by 2 other current mods and x amount of others in our current player base (must be a Vet+, no alts). This would be a really great step. It would go a long way if the players couple help elect mods in some fashion, but is Schaum really receptive to this? He always seemed reluctant to let the playerbase vote for mods? As for the staff wipe, I'd be fine with something like what Debate suggested. However, it should apply to all, including assistant moderators. You and Cathal are mods that have come out publicly in favor of a Staff Wipe, and I know from talking to 3 others that it has more support (I guess we will wait to see if they come out and support it publicly). It's crazy that we have to wait 2 weeks for any kind of update on almost any topic. We should #Staffwipe (including the assistant mods too now) and then use 1 of the ideas you provided above for promoting a new staff team. Either way, the lack of updates and communication is insane.
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Post by Aka on Nov 22, 2016 7:54:16 GMT
There have been quite a bit of confusion and conflict with the warning system, and I do agree that it was not at all organized to begin with. We were trying to get a new system out there, but though too rashly on it. The warning system should now be updated both in-game and on the forums and will remain that way unless there are issues with it.
As of now, we are creating a list for potential staff. I do believe that Schaum is considering opening one up to the players, so do stick around for that!
The reason why staff wipe may not be happening is because there's too little staff at this moment, and it's too risky to jump in and entirely get rid of staff in general.
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Post by smokapoka on Nov 22, 2016 15:15:32 GMT
Few thoughts:
Any communication to be successful requires that all interested sides communicate, and it's clearly not a case here. There are 3 sides here
1) Players - community on server is very active and involved in what's going on here 2) Mods - even tho not all mods participate in forums, there's good representation of mods here 3) Owner - no communication at all
So it's literally impossible for us to have open communication if there's no interest from the server owner to communicate. In a matter of fact neither players or mods can do anything without the owner's involvement, so I feel that all these discussions are compeletely pointless (unless someone enjoys discussion just for a sake of it) Let me give you example:
- End reset poll - not sure what was the motivation to do it. Fact is that Schaum created the poll, making lot of buzz on the server and didn't even bother to comment on the final result of that poll...
- 1.11 update I'm not even going to complain about very short notification and update done in time putting european players in disadvantage again.... We;ve been discussing changes and possible impact within server community for month so I dont even know how to comment on this statement from Schaum:
"I'll post more changes as I think of them here. Not completely sure about what 1.11 has to offer"
I'm not surprised.... just hopeless....
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